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That's not this server's culture, though. If that culture is going to go out of its way to harass our culture, then I'm sorry, but we don't want it here. They've already made their opinions of RPers and how much "respect" they have for them clear with both actions and words.

07/07/2012 10:22 AMPosted by Markhas

I think the point is that this is a thread to invite people to PvP and be part of that culture

Soooooo what the &^%$# are you doing on an RP sever again?

Because I rolled here 7 years ago and never left?

RPers are the minority on any server type. So don't talk like you 'own' the server; you don't.

Soooooo what the &^%$# are you doing on an RP sever again?

Because I rolled here 7 years ago and never left?

RPers are the minority on any server type. So don't talk like you 'own' the server; you don't.

Granted.

They're also the designated realms /for/ RP and RPers, however, and are the only place for them in WoW.

I think people are just voicing concerns as to what can happen when PvP culture pops up on an RP realm - griefing. I'm not saying it's occurring, or has occurred with anyone in this thread, but it's not an entirely unfounded concern - I'm just saying why I think people are speaking up.

Maybe people's experiences have been entirely pleasant so far, I haven't interacted with any of these people, though I've PvP'd against Morrinna before, and as they said they were once an RPer, in DD - so it's my hope that we can have PvP culture without people going out of their way to grief. Language, to me anyways, is less of a concern - it'd be somewhat like asking kids on xbox live to keep it PG, and I've a pretty foul mouth myself.

Haters gonna hate. Back in Vanilla Swift Retribution used to bend over backwards trying to please the RP community. We made RP post about our pvp, invited rpers to join us if pvp fit into their rp, posting in advance where we going to be pvping so anyone that didnt want to get caught in the middle didnt have to etc.

So the haters decided to dissect our RP and tried some sort of elitist RP approach, grammar police essentially.

So... !@#$ it

If the RPers want to have a pvp channel with strict RP rules.... Start a channel ffs

Basically, I'd hope, that at the very least both parties could stay out of the way of the other party. It'd be great if they could even work together - I know plenty of RPers that like to PvP.

I don't think people are really concerned about PvPers RPing - I mean, I know plenty of RPers who refuse to PvP, I see no reason PvPers should be forced to RP. All it takes is a bit of courtesy on both sides, or at the very least, staying out of each other's way. Like you said, Tracer, haters on either side are gonna do what they do, but it's my hope the majority can get along.

I really don't see the big deal in all of this. You are not going to like every person or group you come across, and while this seems like it's just a friend and a few of his buddies inviting everyone to PvP, they are trying to encourage a culture of where you look to cap your conquest points just like how everyone currently looks to cap out their valor points. Think if this server did nothing but PvP and you wanted to have raids announced in trade chat or more guilds that recruited for raiding. I'm pretty sure you guys would have the same thing in mind that this thread is trying to accomplish.

Leave the RP'ers out of this; I don't even know where they come into the mix here. If they want to PvP or raid at whatever level they want to, that's their prerogative. If you don't like the group that's currently starting this, form your own group if you really want to PvP. I think their wish will still be fulfilled either way; people will be PvPing. I understand that the complaint is a culture thing, and that there's a stigma involved where the great players always have to be !@#$-talking douchebags and "to be good", you have to be involved in that culture. Start your own culture if you don't like it!

Basically put, you can't expect people to change their ways if you don't approve. If you want to PvP and you don't like the "culture", create your own and be happy.

Why is there such huge amounts of self entitlement coming from the RP community towards the PvP community? We have just as much of a right to be on this server as any other person on this server. This whole mentality of "How dare you not roleplay, get off our server." is really annoying. I've been on this server since the day it was put up, and I'm not going to leave it just because it says "RP" and I PvP.

07/07/2012 04:45 PMPosted by Zl

Why is there such huge amounts of self entitlement coming from the RP community towards the PvP community? We have just as much of a right to be on this server as any other person on this server. This whole mentality of "How dare you not roleplay, get off our server." is really annoying. I've been on this server since the day it was put up, and I'm not going to leave it just because it says "RP" and I PvP.

PvPers have every bit as much right to play here as RPers.

The problem is that through the years, groups that happened to focus heavily on PvP went well out of their way to mercilessly grief RPers out of nothing but spite. Granted, these PvPers were generally stuck in the 1600s and had nothing better to do, but the point is just that the RPers here have had a lot to handle.

As long as this new group doesn't do what past flare-up PvP groups have done before, I'm sure this tension will blow over, no problem.

07/07/2012 05:22 PMPosted by Narnicka

Why is there such huge amounts of self entitlement coming from the RP community towards the PvP community? We have just as much of a right to be on this server as any other person on this server. This whole mentality of "How dare you not roleplay, get off our server." is really annoying. I've been on this server since the day it was put up, and I'm not going to leave it just because it says "RP" and I PvP.

PvPers have every bit as much right to play here as RPers.

The problem is that through the years, groups that happened to focus heavily on PvP went well out of their way to mercilessly grief RPers out of nothing but spite. Granted, these PvPers were generally stuck in the 1600s and had nothing better to do, but the point is just that the RPers here have had a lot to handle.

As long as this new group doesn't do what past flare-up PvP groups have done before, I'm sure this tension will blow over, no problem.

I'm not going to lie, I have griefed RPers before. I have also apologized for griefing them as well. The thing is, when I try to come back and make a group of dedicated PvPers and a !@#$storm starts from stuff that happened 4 years ago. I love roleplayers and I always have, barring the self-entitled prick ones.

PvPers have every bit as much right to play here as RPers.

The problem is that through the years, groups that happened to focus heavily on PvP went well out of their way to mercilessly grief RPers out of nothing but spite. Granted, these PvPers were generally stuck in the 1600s and had nothing better to do, but the point is just that the RPers here have had a lot to handle.

As long as this new group doesn't do what past flare-up PvP groups have done before, I'm sure this tension will blow over, no problem.

This sums it up nicely. The hardcore PvP culture and raid culture as well have caused a lot of problems for roleplayers.

At the same time plenty of roleplayers PvP. We are here because we are roleplayers and this is a roleplay server but that doesn't mean we do not enjoy PvP/PvE. It is really odd when people seem to constantly assume that RPers do not actually make use of the content of the game in a PvE or PvP sense.

Truth be told, if people do not want to roleplay at all (and not only that but constantly make it difficult to have a decent RP server by harassing us), I see no point in being in a RP server. How *do* RP servers end up majority non-RP? I'll never understand it. I had no urge to be amongst roleplayers when I used to not roleplay. Actually, was quite active in PvP (or better to say, I was a murderer in Ultima Online...)

To be honest, murdering a roleplayer is what accidentally got me into RP in the first place. It added a lot more depth. No one is suggesting not to PvP in the game, but rather they do not want to deal with more of the same harassment we've been dealing with since release. You can't even roleplay in a city without getting a "lawl ghey" thrown out there.

Also, I always respected Swift Retributions RP-PvP; I thought they did a great job and put up an amazing fight. I am sorry that people didn't respect that but know that many of us did. Didn't think I would respond here but what I quoted summed up a feeling that just doesn't often get translated well.

07/07/2012 06:13 PMPosted by Zl

I'm not going to lie, I have griefed RPers before. I have also apologized for griefing them as well. The thing is, when I try to come back and make a group of dedicated PvPers and a !@#$storm starts from stuff that happened 4 years ago. I love roleplayers and I always have, barring the self-entitled prick ones.

That's to be expected, honestly. But believe me, if you go about your PvP without the intent to harass RPers, they will come around. It's just that after long enough, we have a very "see it to believe it" approach to new PvP waves.

That said, it goes both ways. In the same sense that these PvPers should not harass RPers, RPers should not being going out of their way to ankle-bite and put down this attempt to revive server PvP. Being harassed before does not give anyone a right to do it to someone else.

It seems both sides have good intentions here, so I'm not really worried any of the RPers' fears will be realized.

I'm not going to lie, I have griefed RPers before. I have also apologized for griefing them as well. The thing is, when I try to come back and make a group of dedicated PvPers and a !@#$storm starts from stuff that happened 4 years ago. I love roleplayers and I always have, barring the self-entitled prick ones.

I remember that griefing, us asking you to play by our rules at my PvP event, then us ganking you repeatedly when you decided to ignore those requests and continue to harass us. There were no apologies then or now, and by the looks of it, you haven't changed, so don't give me that silliness.

I'll restate what others have said though: live and let live, and act like the guest you are when you tread into another person's corner of the server--or don't act so surprised when you get kicked to the curb for your own behavior. I reckon that goes for both sides.

I'm not going to lie, I have griefed RPers before. I have also apologized for griefing them as well. The thing is, when I try to come back and make a group of dedicated PvPers and a !@#$storm starts from stuff that happened 4 years ago. I love roleplayers and I always have, barring the self-entitled prick ones.

I remember that griefing, us asking you to play by our rules at my PvP event, then us ganking you repeatedly when you decided to ignore those requests and continue to harass us. There were no apologies then or now, and by the looks of it, you haven't changed, so don't give me that silliness.

I'll restate what others have said though: live and let live, and act like the guest you are when you tread into another person's corner of the server--or don't act so surprised when you get kicked to the curb for your own behavior. I reckon that goes for both sides.

Such bitterness, but I remember events a little differently. I don't tend to be killed by back-pedalers, let alone be camped by them. You weren't the only time I griefed anyone either, so don't feel like I was making a statement about this event. I think it's time to grow up and stop trying to embrace cliques on this server. There shouldn't be animosity towards RPers and PvPers.

Edit: Actually, after recalling the said event, I never even griefed you or any others. If I see a bunch of flagged Horde, I'm going to kill them. You and a few other individuals seem to abuse the word "grief" and warp it into however you want to use it. "He killed me, therefore griefing." Sorry dude, that's not how it works.

It seems the few haters succeeded in derailing the thread. Just report them for derailing/offtopic and move along.

Keep on with the PvP, bring back some of the world PvP, etc.

Good luck.

~Feral

It seems the few haters succeeded in derailing the thread. Just report them for derailing/offtopic and move along.

Keep on with the PvP, bring back some of the world PvP, etc.

Good luck.

~Feral

Thanks for the positive response Feral, and I'm trying my best to help get PvP back on this server. We've already had a few xfers and I'm pretty damn happy about that.

If people don't want PvP, don't play an MMO, or don't flag up ever. Problem solved.

I swear people are so touchy.