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Not liking Garrosh = Fine, not meta gaming
Plotting to take down Garrosh because you don't like him = Cool, not meta gaming
Claiming to know Garrosh is going to lead the world to ruin in the near future = Borderline meta gaming
Flat out "knowing" Garrosh "has to be put down" because "you know he'll be corrupted some day" = Retarded meta gaming.

Absolutely - I agree, we can't say "Garrosh is corrupted, Alliance and Horde are gonna besiege Orgrimmar before he screws up the whole world". Because we don't know that yet, and we won't until the siege actually begins on the live servers. But you can say "Garrosh will fall eventually" - no details, no predictions on how, who or why, just stating your opinion that he can't last at the rate he's going (and this is looking largely at his conduct in Wrath and Cataclysm, which will include the as-yet-unreleased event involving Theramore). People who dislike Garrosh have likely been doing so since he assumed power, anyway.

03/21/2012 03:31 PMPosted by Eslyn

Claiming to know Garrosh is going to lead the world to ruin in the near future = Borderline meta gaming

I'd disagree with this, simply because of what we've seen the Horde do already. In Cata alone, they have:

- Expanded the Warsong Lumber Camp (and are now letting the lumber rot instead of actually using it for anything);
- Trashed Silverwind Refuge in Ashenvale;
- Turned a druid school in Stonetalon Mountains into a smoking crater;
- Carved up the face of Azshara (the zone) and released basilisks into the local environment;
- Razed Hillsbrad Fields to the ground and replaced it with the Sludge Fields;
- Depopulated Gilneas;
- Made Southshore uninhabitable; and
- Taken over Andorhal by use of val'kyr (which does not suggest that there will be lovely trees and chirping birds there once the Forsaken get all moved in).

That's just what I can come up with off the top of my head, and that's just environmental damage. It's not even accounting for all the things that were done pre-Cata, either.

My point is, it doesn't matter how many of those things you as a Horde character or you as a player know/believe Garrosh or the Horde at large aren't responsible for. What matters is that they happened, and it's actually more likely to be meta-gaming for Alliance members to believe the Horde didn't ratify these activities than for the Alliance folks to say "Garrosh is messing up the planet and everything! He needs to go down!"

That's my say. You're welcome to consider it or ignore it as you see fit.

Claiming to know Garrosh is going to lead the world to ruin in the near future = Borderline meta gaming

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What matters is that they happened, and it's actually more likely to be meta-gaming for Alliance members to believe the Horde didn't ratify these activities than for the Alliance folks to say "Garrosh is messing up the planet and everything! He needs to go down!"

That's my say. You're welcome to consider it or ignore it as you see fit.

I agree with your underlying point, which the bolded part exemplifies. You're using current game knowledge to disagree with what Garrosh is doing, and want to bring him down. That's great!

However, my statement is a bit different. Let me phrase it differently, to clear up confusion.

1. "Garrosh is chopping down trees, destroying villages, killing druids, and making areas toxic; he must be stopped!" -- This is a perfectly acceptable and encouraged form of RP. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it ('cept maybe having a couple skewed facts). There may very well be long term, bad effects of these actions. There's nothing wrong with considering those things. Actively working to prevent those long term issues is great.

2. "Garrosh is going to destroy the world in the very near future. It's coming. I can feel it. Somehow he's going to become a threat to the entire world if he's not stopped!" -- This is meta-gaming. There's no evidence of this. While you (or the Alliance as a whole) may disagree with his actions, nothing he's done shows how he is going to becoming this massive evil threat in the near future. It's stupid. It implies that you know something is about to happen, something big, that there is no in-game support of.

#1 and #2 say similar things, but are very different. What you're saying in the bolded above is pretty much the same thing as #1. What the post your quoted is saying (or meant to) is #2

03/22/2012 02:07 PMPosted by Eslyn

#1 and #2 say similar things, but are very different. What you're saying in the bolded above is pretty much the same thing as #1. What the post your quoted is saying (or meant to) is #2

Well, then, good. We agree that it's the basis and not the actual wording. See, we can all get along after all. *smile*

03/19/2012 01:03 PMPosted by Saavedro

Personally, I think the only good ex-Warchief is a dead ex-Warchief...especially in the case of Garrosh.

You are an awesome man.. *high fives*

In all seriousness, folks, let's play nice. Lots of cool stuff coming up in the new expansion, some of which has story elements we can use now. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't looking forward to the possibility (not the guarantee) that the people Alliance-side who are upset with Ragefang for what they see as "warmongering" against Garrosh and the Horde might say towards the end of MoP, "Wow, pants thief, you were right... who'da thunk it?!"

If we say that, can we have our pants back?

Pants... shall not be returned.

03/23/2012 07:23 AMPosted by Ragefang

Pants... shall not be returned.

Let's see. There's, like, a hundred of us, and he steals all our pants.

HE IS THE 1%.

OCCUPY RAGEFANG

Gentlemen you are losing sight.

The Pandaren will set us free.
The way of the monk will crush all this febble skimirshes.
There will be only ale and brawling.

The pandamonium will bring about Dwarven Valhalla: Ale and bar brawls...EVERYWHERE.

Azeroth will be my "outside", and the monk will be my "Take it"

I apologize in advance for the damage my armor will be doing to your monk's fists, Arnogh. With any luck, though, he'll be so "anesthetized" he won't even feel it.

Try to "occupy" me all you like, Jeremias. *sits on a throne of pants sipping champagne* I'll just institute visitation fees.

*sip*

03/23/2012 02:39 PMPosted by Jeremias

I apologize in advance for the damage my armor will be doing to your monk's fists, Arnogh. With any luck, though, he'll be so "anesthetized" he won't even feel it.

I'm making a Orc monk just so I can harass you in both factions!

03/23/2012 03:16 PMPosted by Arnogh

I apologize in advance for the damage my armor will be doing to your monk's fists, Arnogh. With any luck, though, he'll be so "anesthetized" he won't even feel it.

I'm making a Orc monk just so I can harass you in both factions!

I didn't know you had those kinds of feelings for me, man.