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If it bothers you, Tyrynna, why still post? ;)

Lol i know right...posting about posting...but say what you will some good has come from this.

I love Tyrynna dearly, and have fair confidence she won't misconstrue my post and thwack me with a frying pan in the game (even though she will on general principles).

My ultimate personal goal is to close down the war, but you don't do that by compromising the right. There's a reason shows use that cliche of "I don't negotiate with terrorists". They're saying they aren't going to concede terms to people who are blatantly doing something wrong. They're saying the ends don't justify the means.

I'm not definitively saying Kod hasn't experienced wrongdoing; what I am saying is he's likewise done wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. To be honest, the perfect resolution to all of this is that those who can be shown to have done wrong to Kod apologize to him, he apologizes to everyone for the one instance of his locking AOOC, and communicates to Rigsby and any other guild members that future efforts of that nature will result in ejection from the guild.

In short, there's an opportunity here for things to be repaired not only between Kod and those upset with him, but for the reputation of his guild at large. It's going to require some willingness to give ground on both sides before it can happen.

@Imperon:

What have you done wrong specifically? Nothing, since Lahkin posted about being the one telling Jenasel to ban me. I just want to see you humble yourself along with the two others -- especially the two others since I have talked with one of them and know what the other thinks of me. But you don't have to swallow your pride for no reason. I'm sure the longer this goes on some people will be deterred from coming along to this server. I mean just look at how nice people are on both sides of this tedious conflict.

@Ragefang:

You somewhat get the same response that I gave to Imperon, except you have been insulting on the forums as is unbecoming of an individual within the RP community. But again, don't feel the need to swallow your pride and negotiate with a terrorist. Oh and by the by, I added Lahkin to the list.

Also I'm sure you would like to know that I honestly don't care if the named people have done some wrong (such as Lahkin even though he thinks it is justified) or have done no wrong (like Imperon). If the seven of you don't want to humble yourselves and swallow your pride to give a simple apology that you don't have to mean, then that is completely fine with me. After all, I'm not losing anything I care about. That's more than I can say about the numerous individuals who post here either out of hatred of me, or wanting this to end, or wanting to make this server appear better than its members are acting.

So yeah, good luck.

So... you want people to apologize to you... despite them having committed no wrongdoing... solely because you've decided you want an apology?

That isn't the perspective of a reasoning individual. I actually legitimately pity you. For your own good, you should likely seek some counseling.

Do you decline to participate in my offered proposal then Ragefang? Because I understand entirely if you're not willing to swallow your pride and humble yourself before me even if it means stopping channel locks as well as stuff like this thread.

Well, I'll tell ya what, Kod: I'll answer your query if you'll first answer one of mine.

Are you intending to continue locking channels (AllianceOOC and others which might arise), with its attendant negative impact on the Alliance RP community, if I don't participate in your proposal?

Guess we will just have to use the forums to get our word out and avoid the channel all together...Kod thinks that locking the channel is some great event when really it is only a slight disruption. We simply ignore all members of his guild who choose to stand by his actions and we accept that allianceooc is of no value anymore and we go back to using the forums here to push rp events. Take away what little power he thinks he has and simply ignore him..nothing would annoy him more.

Kod feels he has some fictional form of power...i don't really rp anymore...I raid with a select group so I will be the first to say I don't care to apologize...why? because I don't really care. He can screw with the channel all he wants. Lock it every other day...spend your time endlessly attempting to seize mod if that's what you want to spend your time doing.

We have tried to reason with him...and you know even if we bent to his will he would back stab us the moment we were done...

AND he still can't answer my question...still side stepping the issue. But I will ask again...any justification for RIgsby last action or is that just a case of one of your dogs getting off his collar?

I just find it hilarious...kod its a game....lol this power trip you are on is really pathetic..do you honestly think that rp stops because you say? Enjoy your false sense of power and I will put you on ignore and Maybe respond to you on forums if i feel i have the time to entertain the both of us...but still find it interesting with all this power you think you have you still can't give a simple answer to my question..

Kod you could have ended it..could have gotten everything you wanted all you had to do was answer one simple little question but you couldn't bring yourself to do that so i guess this is what you wanted all along. All on you bud.

Kod is upset that even members of the order of the blade are starting to see through all his bs. I think it bothers him even more to have been outsmarted by people he sees as inferior but you were and if you doubt it take a vote lol. You have no power here it is game and anything you do can simply be avoided we really just didn't want it to have to come to that. We wanted to work with you Kod to attempt a resolution in a peaceful way but sometimes immaturity will weigh out and there is no working with those kind of people.

And the game will go on. Come mop I really will be to busy to play with you and you will have to find new playmates kod but alas the game is getting old. Your last 4 post have pretty much said nothing new and when asked a simple question you side step and avoid it because we all see right through you...you have no good answer for the last ban. Rigsby did it while you were offline and you had to react and were to slow to come up with a plan and have had to react this entire time.

This whole apology scenario was you losing the argument and coming up with something trivial to try to assert power again but i think all in all we are tired of beating a dead horse in trying to get you see reason because we get it...you don't care and yet want us to? It was a fun match...perhaps next time we banter I'll give you a head start.

09/18/2012 02:23 PMPosted by Ragefang

Are you intending to continue locking channels (AllianceOOC and others which might arise), with its attendant negative impact on the Alliance RP community, if I don't participate in your proposal?

Please refer back to the first post of this thread.

Edit:

@Lun: Your last four posts were all in a row.

I'm looking for a direct answer, Kod, and your first post here in this thread is too vague. Just use plainspoken words whose meaning is unquestionable. This is a simple question, so I'll ask once more:

If I choose not to meet your demands, are you going to continue periodically locking channels such as AllianceOOC? It's a simple "yes" or "no" question. Answer it, and I'll give you your answer to whether I'll participate in your proposal.

Vague? It's not vague. Says so right there in the first post. If you're unable to read that first post, then I don't really know what to tell you.

Perhaps glasses would help?

09/18/2012 01:52 PMPosted by Ragefang

I love Tyrynna dearly, and have fair confidence she won't misconstrue my post and thwack me with a frying pan in the game (even though she will on general principles).

Aww, thanks Rage! I love you too!

*whacks anyway, then stuffs a potato down his pants*

I just want to see you humble yourself

I think we're getting somewhere. I'm not sure I like it here, but we're definitely getting somewhere.

More clarification is needed, however. Unless I've behaved in a...well what's the opposite of humble? Arrogant? Let's go with arrogant. Unless I've behaved in an arrogant fashion, then "humbling" myself is meaningless. Humbling yourself is something that must be juxtaposed with previous actions or statements.

What have I said or done that you feel I should be humbling myself in apology for? There has to be something or you wouldn't be directing your attention at me.

Despite my recent expulsion from my former guild, do not think that I will halt any aggressive actions. Unless, of course, my demands as stated are met. That's up to the seven named to decide though. I'm perfectly content to continue on if they don't want to accept my proposal. My only hope is that newcomers don't get scared away. It would make me a . . . sad panda. Get it? Eh?

Edit:

@Imperon: Nope. Nothing specific as far as you are concerned. What I've stated is exactly how it is as far as I'm concerned. Someone like Lahkin does deserve to issue an apology for taking it upon himself to have me banned from the channel for whatever justification he had in mind.

Someone like you though? Like I've said. You've done nothing wrong. You haven't done anything arrogant that I really care for (your business with your guild is your own though I do find it funny) and so on and so forth. The same applies to Sigren although I did get a nice taste of how he views me (which is in a negative light, but eh that's most everyone). Same applies to Paden too. I just want you all to be humble enough to simply say I'm sorry. Once that is done, I'd be happy to stop any aggressive acts.

That being said, I'm still looking at Lahkin, Lunaeis, Ragefang, and Narnicka.

09/18/2012 04:31 PMPosted by Kod

Despite my recent expulsion from my former guild, do not think that I will halt any aggressive actions. Unless, of course, my demands as stated are met. That's up to the seven named to decide though. I'm perfectly content to continue on if they don't want to accept my proposal. My only hope is that newcomers don't get scared away. It would make me a . . . sad panda. Get it? Eh?

Clearly stating your intent to continue your harassment of a segment of Cenarion Circle's community. You are admitting to previous acts of griefing and vowing to commit more. That's a breach of the ToS and/or EULA you agreed to with Blizzard.

Last I checked, I didn't harass anyone on the forums. And last I checked, what happened in the game was separate from the forums (not to mention what happens in player made channels is dealt with by the players).

I suppose you dislike that I'm willing to lock the channel if I don't get apologies? =(

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@Lun: Your last four posts were all in a row.

Very perceptive.

Kod I have won this argument simply because you can not answer a simple question...your justification for Rigsbys channel ban?

Kod do you make it a regular occasion to allow others to control you?

Kod didn't get expelled from the guild. He GAVE AWAY the guild to someone else, no one forced him to do so because as a GM, the guild is his, and his alone under blizzards current policy.

IMHO this "expulsion" is nothing. The person he gave the guild to has just as bad an attitude as kod so my assumption is that he gave the guild to a second account of his own OR gave it to a really good friend he still has control over end of story. Either way, OOTB is still just as bad with this "new" gm as the guild was with kod holding the guild tag.

09/18/2012 04:45 PMPosted by Lunaeis

Kod I have won this argument simply because you can not answer a simple question...your justification for Rigsbys channel ban?

*Golfclap.*

Congratz. Want a cookie? Tell me how that will get me or Rigsby to stop?

I certainly don't see you coming up with a solution that I find agreeable, so obviously you must not have any good ways on ending this. Or am I mistaken?

I doubt I'm mistaken because it seems you're not even humble enough to try at a peaceful attempt whereas two others are somewhat more prone to the proposal as opposed to you. Gee, what does that make you? Selfish? Too much full of pride?