Night Elf Culture

85 Night Elf Warrior
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If you've been around a while, and pay attention in a few forums, you know that every now and then I have really odd thoughts. Sometimes these relate to World of Warcraft. This is one of those things. Note that pretty much everything in here is conjecture, opinion, or otherwise not canon.

Sometimes during quests, we learn small things about Night Elf culture.

Highborne and your average Kaldorei didn't really mingle, and may as well have been two different peoples. Fact. We know this.

Your average Night Elf isn't a vegetarian(Though many people seem to think this, strangely enough). Fact. There's even a vendor who sells recipes for cooking that include bear meat, among other proof.

But at the same time, there's some things we can only infer or guess at. Maybe I can bring to light and/or encourage discussion on certain things, maybe we might even get some of them confirmed at some point in the future.

Temple of the Moon: As far as we know, the Night Elves are essentially a theocracy. They are led, ruled, and governed by the Temple of the Moon. The Temple of the Moon is led by the High Priestess(Tyrande) who is essentially the ruler of the Night Elven people in everything but name. If she died, I would not be surprised if their entire culture withdrew from the world for an extended period to mourn and/or choose her successor. If she died during a period of war, that would occur after whoever or whatever killed her was dealt with, swiftly and with much prejudice.

Cenarion Circle: The Cenarion Circle, contrary to popular belief, hold little to no power over the Night Elven people as a whole. They 'rule' the Druids. And I say rule very loosely. They more lead them than anything else, and there's little to say that the Circle holds any kind of real power other than a kind of advisory capacity.

Fangs: Night Elves have them. This isn't as much speculation as it is fact, but I felt it was worth mentioning because so few people are aware of this. They're there. You can see them if you /roar. Try it sometime. The Female's fangs are harder to see because they're much smaller.

Female Face markings: There is so little known about this. Honestly, I am not aware if anything at all is known about them, for sure. What little we can deduce about their markings is that they are an indicator of profession, or some other kind of 'ritual' marking. Perhaps something given when the female comes of age and chooses a profession or path.

This would mean many Sentinels or other combat-related Night Elves would have the "Blade" markings, or perhaps the Claw. Huntresses or Druids may have Claw or other types of animalistic markings.

Diet: Someone in a guild whose forums I check often wrote this better than I believe I could have.

Six years ago, when I created my first "release-version" World of Warcraft character, I found myself in a debate in the middle of Teldrassil at the mere level of 4. The debate was concerning the Kaldorei diet. The other party was in general chat insisting that all Kaldorei are vegetarians. Of course I tried to suggest otherwise, which resulted in a lengthy debate. Since then, I've found that I am able to not get "sucked into" debates on general chat channels; however, I wanted to just give my views on the subject, since it seems that most who I encounter RP their characters as vegetarians and are offended that I do not.

First of all, let me state that if one portrays their character as a vegetarian - for any reason - I am fine with that. It is your right to develop your character as you see fit or in a way that entertains you or benefits your roleplaying, whether based on a personal philosophy or other.

Within the game itself, we see a variety of items consumed by the Kaldorei. Insects is one that seems to appear in a couple of instances. The first recipe obtained is the Kaldorei Spider Kabobs. Later in Silithus, the Cenarion Circle has a quest which results in learning the Smoked Desert Dumpling recipe, which consists of Sandworm meat. Fish, of course, is not out of the question, as we see many Kaldorei fishermen, fishing and selling recipes.

What about red meat? In Felwood there is a vendor named Malygen. He is Kaldorei, and his faction is Darnassus. He sells two recipes involving red meat: Charred Bear Kabobs and Juicy Bear Burger. The only other recipe that he sells is Monster Omelet. To my knowledge, no other vendor in the game - including any for horde - sell these recipes (the Horde use to have a Tauren NPC who did prior to the Cataclysm, but he is no longer appearing in game).

Let's take a peek into the lifestyle of the Kaldorei. They are great hunters/huntresses. Despite the views of DHETA, hunting seems to be an acceptable part of their lifestyle. We see actually more involving hunting than we do plant cultivation. One can assume that some of the hunting is for the purpose of maintaining balance - thinning necessary herds to prevent starvation. Whether done for food or for balance, it is unlikely that a Kaldorei would leave the animal carcass there to rot. The skin would be used for leather armor. The meat would be used for food. This would be acceptable. I do not see Kaldorei hunting for sport and leisure. It would have a purpose.

It is my opinion, and strictly my opinion, that the Kaldorei diet consists of fish, shellfish, vegetables and greens, insects, and meat. I would lean toward the meat being a small portion of the diet - as in more Asian-influenced rather than average American-influenced.

So whether one's character is vegetarian or not, either style would be acceptable and fit into the Kaldorei way-of-living.
~ Saeliana

Crime and Punishment: This ties into an RP that I'm actually working at the moment. This also ties into what I mentioned earlier about the Temple of the Moon. As far as we know, the Temple of the Moon is the ruling body of the Night Elven people, with Tyrande at it's head. The Sentinels, again as far as we are aware, are the police force.

It would make sense, then, that a Commander of a unit of Sentinels is essentially like a police chief, but without the trappings of due trial and other 'modern' developments. A trial would be something rarely given if at all. They would be able to pass judgement essentially at whim, to do with criminals what they will.

Even so, they would answer to the Temple, being an arm of it, on any matters pertaining to such, and would even hunt down criminals or other threats as the Temple directs.


I may add things to this at a later date as I think of them, but I believe that this is plenty fuel for the fire so far. =)
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03/05/2011 9:54 PMPosted by Slywyn
Female Face markings: There is so little known about this. Honestly, I am not aware if anything at all is known about them, for sure. What little we can deduce about their markings is that they are an indicator of profession, or some other kind of 'ritual' marking. Perhaps something given when the female comes of age and chooses a profession or path.


Mentioned in Stormrage as a Rite of Passage.
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03/05/2011 9:54 PMPosted by Slywyn
Cenarion Circle: The Cenarion Circle, contrary to popular belief, hold little to no power over the Night Elven people as a whole. They 'rule' the Druids. And I say rule very loosely. They more lead them than anything else, and there's little to say that the Circle holds any kind of real power other than a kind of advisory capacity.


They don't hold any legal authority, but they are extremely influencial and viewed as heroes by Night Elves. They definately have power and influence over citizens and the government.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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03/05/2011 9:59 PMPosted by Duinhir
Cenarion Circle: The Cenarion Circle, contrary to popular belief, hold little to no power over the Night Elven people as a whole. They 'rule' the Druids. And I say rule very loosely. They more lead them than anything else, and there's little to say that the Circle holds any kind of real power other than a kind of advisory capacity.


They don't hold any legal authority, but they are extremely influencial and viewed as heroes by Night Elves. They definately have power and influence over citizens and the government.


As I said they are 'rulers' by an advisory capacity only. =) Their power comes from respect and reverence.



03/05/2011 9:58 PMPosted by Ugom
Female Face markings: There is so little known about this. Honestly, I am not aware if anything at all is known about them, for sure. What little we can deduce about their markings is that they are an indicator of profession, or some other kind of 'ritual' marking. Perhaps something given when the female comes of age and chooses a profession or path.


Mentioned in Stormrage as a Rite of Passage.


I did not know this.
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100 Night Elf Druid
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03/05/2011 9:54 PMPosted by Slywyn
Temple of the Moon: As far as we know, the Night Elves are essentially a theocracy. They are led, ruled, and governed by the Temple of the Moon. The Temple of the Moon is led by the High Priestess(Tyrande) who is essentially the ruler of the Night Elven people in everything but name. If she died, I would not be surprised if their entire culture withdrew from the world for an extended period to mourn and/or choose her successor. If she died during a period of war, that would occur after whoever or whatever killed her was dealt with, swiftly and with much prejudice.

The High Priestess typically just appoints her successor. It's not a democratic or even a collaborative project. I don't know what happens when the Priestess doesn't choose her successor before dying, but in an optimal situation it's relatively smooth.



03/05/2011 9:54 PMPosted by Slywyn
Crime and Punishment: This ties into an RP that I'm actually working at the moment. This also ties into what I mentioned earlier about the Temple of the Moon. As far as we know, the Temple of the Moon is the ruling body of the Night Elven people, with Tyrande at it's head. The Sentinels, again as far as we are aware, are the police force.

I think the Wardens operate more as, if not the normal police, the secret police. The Wardens are in charge of jailing and tracking down criminals as well as executions, and they are distinct from the Sentinels.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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03/05/2011 10:02 PMPosted by Omacron
Temple of the Moon: As far as we know, the Night Elves are essentially a theocracy. They are led, ruled, and governed by the Temple of the Moon. The Temple of the Moon is led by the High Priestess(Tyrande) who is essentially the ruler of the Night Elven people in everything but name. If she died, I would not be surprised if their entire culture withdrew from the world for an extended period to mourn and/or choose her successor. If she died during a period of war, that would occur after whoever or whatever killed her was dealt with, swiftly and with much prejudice.

The High Priestess typically just appoints her successor. It's not a democratic or even a collaborative project. I don't know what happens when the Priestess doesn't choose her successor before dying, but in an optimal situation it's relatively smooth.



Crime and Punishment: This ties into an RP that I'm actually working at the moment. This also ties into what I mentioned earlier about the Temple of the Moon. As far as we know, the Temple of the Moon is the ruling body of the Night Elven people, with Tyrande at it's head. The Sentinels, again as far as we are aware, are the police force.

I think the Wardens operate more as, if not the normal police, the secret police. The Wardens are in charge of jailing and tracking down criminals as well as executions, and they are distinct from the Sentinels.


1) That's what I meant, when one isn't chosen. An accident or some other tragedy claims her life suddenly.

2) That's what I thought. Wardens operate like the elite, or special forces. Sentinels would be sent after the more mundane criminals. Such as a thief or assaulter. Wardens are reserved for the more dangerous or special cases.
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85 Troll Warlock
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03/05/2011 10:02 PMPosted by Omacron
I think the Wardens operate more as, if not the normal police, the secret police. The Wardens are in charge of jailing and tracking down criminals as well as executions, and they are distinct from the Sentinels.


Something i always found kind of odd about Illidain's imprisonment. Warden's being stuck guarding him for...ever. Seams like an odd career choice when you're immortal and would be guarding immortal prisoners. Sure he's lose and you're not immortal anymore but still.

A similar thing could be said about real prison guards, but you i'm sure you catch my drift. I mean sure didn't look like Maiev had gotten out much in the past ten thousand years. Then there was that whole incident wear Tyrande just ups and kills some without, you know...asking them to release the prisoner.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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03/05/2011 10:06 PMPosted by Ferlion
This one is not true. Its actually the Wardens who act like the police chief. They are separate from the Sentinels, though both follow the Tyrande. They are a theocracy, with Tyrande leading, however she chooses her next before they die, so no real interuption should take place (In Stormrage, Tyrande gave power to Shandris why she was away. This heavily implies that Shandris is next in command)


I believe that the Wardens are more the special police, or the elite. If you need an example(And are American) SWAT would do nicely. SWAT aren't sent after any and every criminal. They're reserved for special cases.

And where a Warden commander would be above a Sentinel commander, I don't see Wardens as interfering in normal every day operations and judgements of the Sentinels.
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03/05/2011 10:14 PMPosted by Ferlion
The sentinels are not a police force though. They are a military force. The standing army.

Perhaps there's a gendarmerie (femdarmerie?) within the Sentinel army, though. Police forces being distinct from armies is a relatively modern invention and didn't really emerge until post-revolution France. Prior to that, you had your city guard and your soldiers, and occasionally they were part of the same organization.


I'd also say that the Wardens are less like SWAT and more like the Stasi, KGB or Gestapo. SWAT are still police officers. The Watchers are an organization unto themselves, who employ Watchers. The fact that their job description includes "covert assassination" shows that they're more than *just* peacekeepers: they're tools of state oppression more than anything else.
Edited by Omacron on 3/5/2011 10:18 PM PST
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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I believe that the Wardens are more the special police, or the elite. If you need an example(And are American) SWAT would do nicely. SWAT aren't sent after any and every criminal. They're reserved for special cases.

And where a Warden commander would be above a Sentinel commander, I don't see Wardens as interfering in normal every day operations and judgements of the Sentinels.


The sentinels are not a police force though. They are a military force. The standing army.

In addition to some
of their other roles, wardens
ensure that law is kept in night elf lands.


Here we go. From Alliance Players Guide. could not find the bit about Warden taking a district, Ill keep looking. I may be getting it mixed up with something else.


Even so, we have to understand that the Night Elves do not operate as we do. They do not have distinct police forces. While that may have held true in the past, we do not see Warden guards in Night Elven cities or lands. We see Sentinels.

This suggests, to me, that it is the Sentinel forces that protect, and police, the Night Elven people.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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03/05/2011 11:10 PMPosted by Ferlion
This suggests, to me, that it is the Sentinel forces that protect, and police, the Night Elven people.


We have not seen Warden at all in game until recently. But fair enough. Justice is normally the goal of the Warden.

Either way, both are the arms of the church.


Absolutely. =)
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Diet: Someone in a guild whose forums I check often wrote this better than I believe I could have.

Six years ago, when I created my first "release-version" World of Warcraft character, I found myself in a debate in the middle of Teldrassil at the mere level of 4. The debate was concerning the Kaldorei diet. The other party was in general chat insisting that all Kaldorei are vegetarians. Of course I tried to suggest otherwise, which resulted in a lengthy debate. Since then, I've found that I am able to not get "sucked into" debates on general chat channels; however, I wanted to just give my views on the subject, since it seems that most who I encounter RP their characters as vegetarians and are offended that I do not.

First of all, let me state that if one portrays their character as a vegetarian - for any reason - I am fine with that. It is your right to develop your character as you see fit or in a way that entertains you or benefits your roleplaying, whether based on a personal philosophy or other.

Within the game itself, we see a variety of items consumed by the Kaldorei. Insects is one that seems to appear in a couple of instances. The first recipe obtained is the Kaldorei Spider Kabobs. Later in Silithus, the Cenarion Circle has a quest which results in learning the Smoked Desert Dumpling recipe, which consists of Sandworm meat. Fish, of course, is not out of the question, as we see many Kaldorei fishermen, fishing and selling recipes.

What about red meat? In Felwood there is a vendor named Malygen. He is Kaldorei, and his faction is Darnassus. He sells two recipes involving red meat: Charred Bear Kabobs and Juicy Bear Burger. The only other recipe that he sells is Monster Omelet. To my knowledge, no other vendor in the game - including any for horde - sell these recipes (the Horde use to have a Tauren NPC who did prior to the Cataclysm, but he is no longer appearing in game).

Let's take a peek into the lifestyle of the Kaldorei. They are great hunters/huntresses. Despite the views of DHETA, hunting seems to be an acceptable part of their lifestyle. We see actually more involving hunting than we do plant cultivation. One can assume that some of the hunting is for the purpose of maintaining balance - thinning necessary herds to prevent starvation. Whether done for food or for balance, it is unlikely that a Kaldorei would leave the animal carcass there to rot. The skin would be used for leather armor. The meat would be used for food. This would be acceptable. I do not see Kaldorei hunting for sport and leisure. It would have a purpose.

It is my opinion, and strictly my opinion, that the Kaldorei diet consists of fish, shellfish, vegetables and greens, insects, and meat. I would lean toward the meat being a small portion of the diet - as in more Asian-influenced rather than average American-influenced.

So whether one's character is vegetarian or not, either style would be acceptable and fit into the Kaldorei way-of-living.
~ Saeliana


Thank you for your kind words.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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03/06/2011 12:35 AMPosted by Saeliana
Thank you for your kind words.


You're welcome. =)

More things I've thought of since I can't sleep.

Elves and Technology: Elves are, by no means, against or 'backward' when it comes to technology. The fact is, they are a highly magical race. If they need something, they can often come up with a magical way, rather than a technological way, to accomplish it.

They need resources? Wisps. This was in WC3, it was reinforced in NewFeralas. There's a quest or two that mentions it. Magical. And from what we can tell, the way they gather leaves no real lasting impact on the natural world around them.

Not to mention, Night Elves do in fact use weapons, and even have some knowledge of engineering. This requires metal, and it requires machinery, if simple in comparison to something that a Gnome would create. Metalworking is not foreign or abhorrent to them. Their weapons, jewelery, armor, it all has to come from somewhere.

Glaive throwers do not build themselves.

Religion: To be completely and brutally honest, I feel that many who RP Priests and Priestesses of Elune, and even to some extent, Druids, do it entirely and completely wrong. This is opinion. I am not telling you how to play. This is how I see it.

I do not see Night Elves as being... for lack of a better word, evangelical in their worship. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing someone play a Night Elf priest who, at every available opportunity, spouts "Praise Elune!" at the top of their lungs. It does not fit the race.

I could see, in times of extremes one way or the other, this happening. But it would not be an every day occurance. And it certainly wouldn't be every few minutes.

The way I see it, they would practice an almost silent worship, with a few exclamations in times of duress or extreme joy. Battle would often be appropriate. For the most part, your average Elune-worshipping Night Elf would, in my eyes, go to the Temple once or twice a week. They would kneel by the moonwell inside, pray quietly or silently, give their thanks, and then go on their way.

The Night Elves often strike me as a people who rely more on actions than words, and I don't see this being so heavily apparent in any other place than their worship and religion. They would practice what they are taught more than praising it or spouting it to others.

Gender Roles: I feel that most people get the gist of this. Males, while not subordinate, in my mind, take the place that the female does in today's Western society. They are by no means lesser citizens, or the lesser of a couple, but the female would almost certainly be the head or leader of the household.

The Males of the Night Elves strike me as the type who would remain home and take care of what needs to be done while the Female goes off to 'work', so to speak. And this isn't saying that that is all that the males do. But if something were to come up that requires one to leave and one to stay, I see the male volunteering to remain at home far more often than the female would.
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Gender Roles: I feel that most people get the gist of this. Males, while not subordinate, in my mind, take the place that the female does in today's Western society. They are by no means lesser citizens, or the lesser of a couple, but the female would almost certainly be the head or leader of the household.

The Males of the Night Elves strike me as the type who would remain home and take care of what needs to be done while the Female goes off to 'work', so to speak. And this isn't saying that that is all that the males do. But if something were to come up that requires one to leave and one to stay, I see the male volunteering to remain at home far more often than the female would.


I disagree with this. I don't think Night Elves are as nuclear and genderbased as this implies where a couple operates from one dwelling and labor is split accroding to gender. Night Elves are much more socialist in their approach to community and familial units. As humans, we're accustomed to dividing our families into different units, but Night Elves don't.

You're family isn't determined by blood or union, it's determined by who you allow into your life and who you choose to live with. I think villages and whatnot are more communal and not simply reversing the gender roles we're accustomed to in RL.

Only matters of military and religion were organized based on gender. If you're not part of the Sentinels, Sisterhood, Wardens, or Cricle, there probably weren't any gender roles in regards to professions, chores, or duties to the community.
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85 Night Elf Warrior
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Gender Roles: I feel that most people get the gist of this. Males, while not subordinate, in my mind, take the place that the female does in today's Western society. They are by no means lesser citizens, or the lesser of a couple, but the female would almost certainly be the head or leader of the household.

The Males of the Night Elves strike me as the type who would remain home and take care of what needs to be done while the Female goes off to 'work', so to speak. And this isn't saying that that is all that the males do. But if something were to come up that requires one to leave and one to stay, I see the male volunteering to remain at home far more often than the female would.


I disagree with this. I don't think Night Elves are as nuclear and genderbased as this implies where a couple operates from one dwelling and labor is split accroding to gender. Night Elves are much more socialist in their approach to community and familial units. As humans, we're accustomed to dividing our families into different units, but Night Elves don't.

You're family isn't determined by blood or union, it's determined by who you allow into your life and who you choose to live with. I think villages and whatnot are more communal and not simply reversing the gender roles we're accustomed to in RL.

Only matters of military and religion were organized based on gender. If you're not part of the Sentinels, Sisterhood, Wardens, or Cricle, there probably weren't any gender roles in regards to professions, chores, or duties to the community.


I probably worded it badly then. I blame it on being late since it's easy to do so and makes for a simple cop-out.

I am also of the mind that Night Elves are not a society that practicies the Nuclear Household model. I fully believe that they are communal, or as you put it, socialistic.

I simply used the family model as an example, albeit a poor one. Even in normal every day society, though, I feel as if a male would defer to a female, as females often do to males today.

03/06/2011 1:35 AMPosted by Ferlion
Only matters of military and religion were organized based on gender. If you're not part of the Sentinels, Sisterhood, Wardens, or Cricle, there probably weren't any gender roles in regards to professions, chores, or duties to the community.


This.. Remember, the military was woman only because it was made from former priestess of the moon, and even today all sentinels are trained in the basics of priesthood. The military faction was all female because the group that started it was all female.

If I had to guess, that was the reason only males were allowed to be Druids. To keep a balance, and ensure that it did not become a woman dominated society.


Even so, I feel that the Night Elves are a matriarchal society, where the women lead and the males follow.
Edited by Slywyn on 3/6/2011 1:36 AM PST
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