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01/10/2011 2:04 AMPosted by Rraazz

...*Facepalm* This is why the RP forums are losing quality...This is why RPers have a bad rep. Because as soon as someone disagress with one of us we all jump in and go "NO I"M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG!" And refuse to back down until they either leave or break down crying and conform to you.

ALl I'm getting from you're posts is that A: Blizzard dubbed them Dark Elves back when the concept was first pitched. And B: That they changed them to suit what they wanted in the end.

I look at it like this.

Is it a Dark Elf in name? No Is it a Dark Elf in personality? No. Sure they both love the dark. But that's about all they have in similarity's.

And now I'm backing out of this thread. No matter what i say or do you're just going to disagree and keep pulling stuff that hasn't mattered since Warcraft 3 came out. (You know, the game before WoW that had Nelfs in it?)

And no I don't consider myself *defeated* I'm just bored of talking to a brick wall that sticks it's fingers in it's ears and yells "Lalalalalala can't hear you!"

Everyone knows this argument is just going to go on and on until one of us quits anyway. So I'm just saving us both valuable time and rage by letting this thread die now.

Sorry but our pointless conversation is hardly the focus of this thread and I am not a brick wall I actually do listen to objective opinions and respond in kind to pleasant discourse from my fellow Lore enthusiasts.

Your opinion and discourse was neither. I wish the simple end our pity encounter would have the magnificent power to end this thread. However I very much doubt it since it has already been linked to several websites whose general philosophy is not to be kind and hold the hand of lore abusers.

Rraazz, Night Elves still have some qualities similar to the Drow. They both tend toward more matriarchal societies, they tend more toward striking from where they cannot be seen, and cannot be immediately attacked, they both enjoy the dark as opposed to the Light. Really their only difference is: they aren't almost all evil and cruel to a fault, they don't live underground, and they all tend more toward druidism than sorcery.

Drow in Azeroth now has Silver's Seal of Approval(tm)!

01/10/2011 6:46 AMPosted by Zeria

Drow in Azeroth now has Silver's Seal of Approval(tm)!

No. Roleplaying a character that has similar qualities to a Drow has my approval.

Roleplaying a Drow does not.

01/10/2011 6:47 AMPosted by Iralius

No. Roleplaying a character that has similar qualities to a Drow has my approval.

Roleplaying a Drow does not.

And now that I successfully drew out the condensed version of that, it seems like the "Drow-like qualities" you were talking about point to the Highborne and other night elf mages for potential candidates.

There you have it, people. Don't RP Drow, RP Highborne instead.

01/10/2011 6:54 AMPosted by Zeria

No. Roleplaying a character that has similar qualities to a Drow has my approval.

Roleplaying a Drow does not.

And now that I successfully drew out the condensed version of that, it seems like the "Drow-like qualities" you were talking about point to the Highborne and other night elf mages for potential candidates.

There you have it, people. Don't RP Drow, RP Highborne instead.

Or even Blood Elves. Either of those would fit for someone who wants to RP an elf with Drow qualities. Though, really, you could even be a normal Kal'dorei with a lot of the similar qualities, or any race for that matter.

Just targeted the elf races, primarily, because most who would want to be a Drow would also want to be an elf.

i just wanna throw this in here:

this is World of Warcraft. this is a game that has specific and rich lore. a drow has no place in this world, neither does a catgirl, or a robots from the future. for everyone who claims that by people who respect and roleplay within the limits of lore, who understand and discuss it and can create interesting characters out of normal joes, are pulling the elitist card because your pink-haired Quel'dorei that is prancing through Silvermoon is outright laughed at and rejected and how dare we hurt your poor widdle feewingz, just let you be creative?

let me laugh at you some more.

you can exercise your creativity better when you're giving a set world with set rules and specific things that Can't Be Done. is it really that hard? if you're absolutely dead set on being a beautiful and unique snowflake, i'm going to point you to LJ, Gaia, or ask you to make your own board for that.

it's not hard to RP something that is true to lore. it really isn't. stop whining about people "crushing your creativity" because if you truly did have a streak of it, you could make a hero out of a peon without all the bull*@**tery of a typical Mary Sue.

Ok im prepared to catch hell. I got on this forum to check out the role-playing and never intended to catch this thread. First, of all i have read many books of DOD and chiefly the books over Drizzt Do' Urden. This character is from a culture that is more than evil. This culture knows nothing but evil. They were origonally elves that were cast away if my memory serves me. Somehow in the mix the females became the supreme rulers, like seriously males are but slaves and breeders, and they live in a massive underground city name Menzoberranzan (forgive my spelling). However, these stories are mostly of a rogue elf born with very rare, perhaps the first, lavender eyes. He is royal but quickly sees the evil that plagues his race and when he gets older escapes the confines of the deep, and though the sun hurts and blurs his vision he adapts to tolerate it. He comes by a figurine that turns into his best friend that is an astral animal. This large black panther named Ghuenyveur is his only friend that came from his home. Now, that i have explained the drow... They are very similiar to the night elves in appearance and i have also read from Wowpedia that the drow were the primary force driving the creation of the night elf race. They are more like the blood elves as far as the way that they are governed and act. Unfortunately though, they are the night elves and drow here and for the sake of your reputation and gaming experience just create it as close as you can and roll with it. I almost named my character Drizzt but out of respect I refrained from it. I completely see where your are coming from and you can always try a thread and see what happens. I must enjoy the rich lore in this world as well and play this game abiding by it.

I don't see any way for a drow to live in Azeroth. They are a subterrainean race which would mean they would never be seen by surface dwelling races.

Not all drow are Drizzt, most prefer the Underdark (in the D&D universe) and are not worried about the surface except to wreak havoc and enslave other races. Drow are evil, maybe not born evil but raised evil and worship an evil goddess (Lolth, demon spider god from the Abyss).

Using orcs and draenei as an argument is plain silly. WoW has multiple worlds/planets, while D&D uses planes of existance (Material Plane, Nine Hells, Seven Heavens, Astral Plane, Limbo etc.) There would be no possibility of a drow to end up on Azeroth, it's not a plane of existance, it's a planet.

I've played D&D for over 10 years and I can tell you that it is pointless to try and integrate the drow into WoW. I'm not trying to be angry or hurtful, just giving my observation on the situation.

Who's the douche who called me a terrible RP'er? Seriously, I'm terrible? Just because I once role-played a half-dragon night elf who went on a god-mode rampage in a tavern-turned duel-thread a year back, when I just began role-playing and had no idea what was going on?

Even when I -and those others in the thread- admitted it was a calamity and I stopped using that character altogether, except for the fact it's a name-sake for one of my epic god-swords and also because I now role-play a Night Elf Rune-Master who can blow things up with the snap of his fingers and is also now related to Sargeras, the Old Gods, Arthas, basically every major lore character, every major figure in human history and is a god in his own right? (I decided that last part just a few seconds ago) Really? I'm the terrible role-player?

Excuse my sarcasm but you, sir, are the terrible role-player.

P.S. Good sir, even if the above is true, you can't say I don't write awesome posts, I mean really, my grammar and spelling is far better than the drivel you see nowadays in World's End. Besides, my posts are compelling and play to the soul. Who's soul, you ask? Mine.

EDIT:

OH and to the newbie who is caught up in this Clash of the Titans, you'll find most of my crap (Notice I say "Crap" and not "Work" because that's what it was) on the old forums, I've turned a new leaf here (What with my brain maturing) thus you'll find some of my good crap here.

I will admit I have participated in a few "bad" rp's, mostly because I got bored half way through and either left or acted like an ass and ruined it... I think.. Dunno. But my main point was, that if you want to find most of the "Incriminating Evidence" go type Skyperion into the old forums, if you want the crack, check out these.

Now I bid thee farewell.

Super P.S.

Seriously, I'm terrible? I beseech thy to find a "half baked story" of mine and if you come up with evidence I deem accurate and compelling, I will formally apologize and ask for a start over.

(Lol not really, I don't like you enough) <------- Alright, I was originally going to have this typed without spaces, but it hurts my inner grammar *!*%.. soo... now it doesn't look as trollish as I wanted it to.

01/10/2011 5:44 PMPosted by Skyperion

Who's the douche who called me a terrible RP'er? Seriously, I'm terrible? Just because I once role-played a half-dragon night elf who went on a god-mode rampage in a tavern-turned duel-thread a year back, when I just began role-playing and had no idea what was going on?

Even when I -and those others in the thread- admitted it was a calamity and I stopped using that character altogether, except for the fact it's a name-sake for one of my epic god-swords and also because I now role-play a Night Elf Rune-Master who can blow things up with the snap of his fingers and is also now related to Sargeras, the Old Gods, Arthas, basically every major lore character, every major figure in human history and is a god in his own right? (I decided that last part just a few seconds ago) Really? I'm the terrible role-player?

Excuse my sarcasm but you, sir, are the terrible role-player.

P.S. Good sir, even if the above is true, you can't say I don't write awesome posts, I mean really, my grammar and spelling is far better than the drivel you see nowadays in World's End. Besides, my posts are compelling and play to the soul. Who's soul, you ask? Mine.

... Thank you for impersonating the stereotype.

Thank you for thanking me.

Now, I'm going to back out the same smoldering hole in your wall that blue space-goat named Rrazz did, except with a bit more showmanship.

*Super-flips out of thread*

*Sticks head back in one last time*

But before I go: Newbie, please don't listen to these brick walls. Role-play to your heart's content, just don't break the lore with Thor's hammer and if you're going to do some bending, at least try to make it viable so that you'll be flamed for less. No matter what though, on the internet (In wow especially) you're always wrong no matter what you post, so always bring a welder's mask, a flak jacket and the most important piece of armor you could get your hands on: A tin foil hat. (<---- Don't actually wear that, be open to others' ideas. Take them into consideration before rejecting them with your own reality, but make sure you let the person know you considered it.)

Syanora!

*Ducks out*

Skyperions Post

Being able to write a good post is nothing if you are a cocky powergaming idiot who thinks he is far better than he is, and bursts into a crying sook every time someone doesn't want to RP with a Mary Sue character who seethes self-loving energy.

I probably will be on and off with more emphasis on the 'off' today so I probably shouldn't be posting this. I have not much against you normally, I respect your writing ability, and respect your ability (that you demonstrated to me once before), to pull out of an argument you are obviously losing, but when you type something like that, it just makes me cringe.

Your posts are better than half the drivel these days... but hell, that's not saying much. And I've met quite a few people "these days" who know and abide by the pure respectful rules of not powergaming, not metagaming, not godmoding.

Also, Sorrowrunner called you a terrible roleplayer... and if now that you are informed as to who it was, still stand by the comment:

Excuse my sarcasm but you, sir, are the terrible role-player.

You are very wrong.

01/10/2011 5:44 PMPosted by Skyperion

and also because I now role-play a Night Elf Rune-Master who can blow things up with the snap of his fingers and is also now related to Sargeras, the Old Gods, Arthas, basically every major lore character, every major figure in human history and is a god in his own right?

If you were serious...

...this is why we can't have nice things.

01/10/2011 6:13 PMPosted by Zeria

...this is why we can't have nice things.

While I agree that playing the dark skinned, white haired version of the Drow is not really something that fits into the WoW Lore, I actually don't see it as a gamebreaking issue either.

In all fairness I do not really RP in WoW anyways as I have a few other MMo's that lend themselves much better to Roleplay.

However I will confess that the guild I am in (small as it is since it is only close friends and family) is a Drow House and we have versions of our House in several other MMO's (CoX,SWG,EQ,AoC to list a few)

This does not mean I RP as a Drow. I am a Blood Elf but it doesn't preclude the idea that Blood Elves may in the future evolve into Drow. All of the Drow Lore I have found says basically the same thing. they all started as normal Elves and broke away from the rest. I see that theme alot in the Elven Lore of WoW. NE broke from High Elves and evolved into what they were, and even the High Elves were (from what I have read) originally Trolls that evolved becuase they too a different path.

We also have alot of Azeroth left to explore since we haven't discovered the contenent that the Pandorans call home. who is to say that it holds no Drow?

So if you want to play a Drow, I say do it if you can find a good way to fit in or find people that are willing to RP with you. For those that scream and nerdrage that it is breaking Lore all I can say is : Don't Rp with them and go about your business. it won't suddenly make the game stop working and you can allways/ignore right? just my two coppersworth.


Ve'daust

Yeah I'm back in here. I'll admit my earlier rants were largely due to just having been fed up and annoyed so some apologies go out for that. But i don't take back what i said either.

01/12/2011 8:30 AMPosted by Keeshe

This does not mean I RP as a Drow. I am a Blood Elf but it doesn't preclude the idea that Blood Elves may in the future evolve into Drow. All of the Drow Lore I have found says basically the same thing. they all started as normal Elves and broke away from the rest. I see that theme alot in the Elven Lore of WoW. NE broke from High Elves and evolved into what they were, and even the High Elves were (from what I have read) originally Trolls that evolved becuase they too a different path.

*Strokes chin* Heh I sound like a damn nitpicker here. But if my lore is right i think Night Elves came first, High Elves were Nelfs that refused to give up magic and were banished. I'm very rusty on lore however so i could be wrong...If memory serves they were trolls first, but were evolved by the well of eternity or something.

Sorry, just wanted to throw that out there. 3am is the perfect time to be having a logical and deep conversation, right?

When I first started playing I was really into Drow as well. I just made a Blood Elf Warlock and gave him a Drow-ish personality.

Yeah I'm back in here. I'll admit my earlier rants were largely due to just having been fed up and annoyed so some apologies go out for that. But i don't take back what i said either.

This does not mean I RP as a Drow. I am a Blood Elf but it doesn't preclude the idea that Blood Elves may in the future evolve into Drow. All of the Drow Lore I have found says basically the same thing. they all started as normal Elves and broke away from the rest. I see that theme alot in the Elven Lore of WoW. NE broke from High Elves and evolved into what they were, and even the High Elves were (from what I have read) originally Trolls that evolved becuase they too a different path.

*Strokes chin* Heh I sound like a damn nitpicker here. But if my lore is right i think Night Elves came first, High Elves were Nelfs that refused to give up magic and were banished. I'm very rusty on lore however so i could be wrong...If memory serves they were trolls first, but were evolved by the well of eternity or something.

Sorry, just wanted to throw that out there. 3am is the perfect time to be having a logical and deep conversation, right?

From the history that we know, Trolls actually came first. Trolls spawned Night Elves spawned Highborne(High Elves/Blood Elves)