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04/04/2012 07:11 AMPosted by Wilano

I miss the Horde that isn't blatantly evil.

The Grimtotem were always blatantly evil. You fight a total of 4 or 5 Grimtotem Sects throughout WoW. Some sects are not considered part of the Horde, even when the Grimtotem were part of the confederation (E.G., the 1k Needles Grimtotem)

True but the quest text she uses as reference says this "discovery of lands we thought lost to us like Feralas.."

It says right there they thought it was lost to them. My guess is they say Desolace and were like "WTF TURN AROUND" and didn't think Feralas was still intact. My guess.

Just because we're friends with nature, doesn't mean we would have insta portal home. You know?

I'm not sure what you're getting at with this, in regards to non-Highborne elves in Feralas

04/04/2012 07:31 AMPosted by Lito

I don't see any reason to believe there were night elf settlements of notable size in Feralas during that time, but I wouldn't call individuals living there completely impossible. It just seems like it would carry the implication that they were out of contact with night elf society at large for thousands of years, which might be worth noting for readers.

Also this.

04/04/2012 07:36 AMPosted by Hranu

The Grimtotem were always blatantly evil. You fight a total of 4 or 5 Grimtotem Sects throughout WoW. Some sects are not considered part of the Horde, even when the Grimtotem were part of the confederation (E.G., the 1k Needles Grimtotem)

I'm aware of this, but much of the rest of the Horde is also pulling the Blatant Evil thing at the moment (I.E. Horde poachers - orcs in fact - hunting hippogryphs and other sentient animals in Feralas).

04/04/2012 07:31 AMPosted by Lito

I don't see any reason to believe there were night elf settlements of notable size in Feralas during that time, but I wouldn't call individuals living there completely impossible. It just seems like it would carry the implication that they were out of contact with night elf society at large for thousands of years, which might be worth noting for readers.

This is what I've been basically saying.

Anyone in Feralas would've been isolated from the rest of the Night Elves for 10,000 years (or however long they were born) in Feralas. This is even assuming they'd survive in that place for that long.

Because at any point, should an elf from Feralas rejoin the Night Elves, then there wouldn't have been any comments about it being "rediscovered" recently.

This is not even taking into account of Night Elves using Hippogryphs or Mountain Giant aid to get back to the rest of society. Or make the trekk there themselves. I mean, 10,000 years is a long time to stand around in the bush doing nothing.

I mean, heck. In 1000 years, real life humans would've found a way from Feralas to Ashenvale, be it domesticating mounts or building a boat and sailing up the coast.

04/04/2012 07:39 AMPosted by Wilano

I'm aware of this, but much of the rest of the Horde is also pulling the Blatant Evil thing at the moment (I.E. Horde poachers - orcs in fact - hunting hippogryphs and other sentient animals in Feralas).

but GRIMTOTEM, Wilano GRIMTOTEM.

04/04/2012 07:41 AMPosted by Hranu

but GRIMTOTEM, Wilano GRIMTOTEM.

suddenly i see the light and you have opened my eyes

04/04/2012 07:45 AMPosted by Anamaleth

hold on a while.

Train of thought led me to think of the phrase "hold your horses", and now I want to think of Night Elf versions of common human phrases.

"Hold your hippogryphs" is all I've got, though.

04/04/2012 07:43 AMPosted by Wilano

suddenly i see the light and you have opened my eyes

praise the earth mother and her eyes you know this to be true

04/04/2012 07:47 AMPosted by Wilano

"Hold your hippogryphs" is all I've got, though.

"Have patience."

04/04/2012 07:47 AMPosted by Hranu

praise the earth mother and her eyes you know this to be true

whatever keep it in church man

04/04/2012 07:49 AMPosted by Melyria

"Hold your hippogryphs" is all I've got, though.

"Have patience."

It's appropriate, but it lacks flair. A race can only pretend to be wise for so many millenia before people start to realise it's just that you don't have a sense of humor. :P

04/04/2012 07:51 AMPosted by Anamaleth

While I was typing that I stepped on a nail. don't ask how but OMFFFFG it hurts.

...well now I just want to ask more, but I guess I can just make something up.

I...would not consider one quest with no back-up from any other quest or source as "set in stone".

If you are referring to the text: "Much has happened over the last few years, <name>: the creation of Teldrassil, the corruption of many of the forest creatures here and abroad, discovery of lands we thought lost to us like Feralas... so much, in so little time. But those are just some of the reasons we are here, the most important being to protect our kind from further evil."

That can take many, many interpretations. “Thought lost” could mean corrupted or damaged, not “we had no idea where it was”. Of course they knew where it was if they knew of it before. It has not moved since the Sundering, ten thousand plus years ago.

Also, Teldrassil was made more than “a few years ago” by the official Warcraft time line, which sort of pokes a huge hole in that statement. Last I looked, it was at least a decade old.

By the time line, we were in Feralas more than ten years ago as well.

I think it is just poor wording for a quest text that was missed, which happens pretty often. The people writing aren’t perfect and they mispell or mess up too. One small quest that has a lot of holes based on the official time line isn’t exactly a good way to base whether or not Night Elves were in Feralas.

Please show me some other text or reference that says when/how it was “lost” and why could not just...sail over? Feathermoon Stronghold is more than “a few years old” and has been on that island for quite some time.

04/04/2012 08:42 AMPosted by Talaridan

Last I looked, it was at least a decade old.

Isn't that naught more than a few years to night elves? <_<

http://www.wowhead.com/item=20415/the-war-of-the-shifting-sands

In game book text. The War of the Shifting Sands took place in part of Southern Feralas.

"Anachronos would soon realize that even the mighty Bronze Flight could not stem the tide of the invading Qiraji forces. For every fifty of the insects that were annihilated by his breath, one hundred would be waiting to take their place. With the night elf lines faltering and the threat of being pushed further north to the wilds of Feralas ever looming, Anachronos decided that the children of the aspects must be made aware."

There is no reason a night elf would not stay near the wilds of feralas. They could if they wanted to.

Which then makes no sense, considering they'd have seen Eldre'thalas. Also, it was a threat of being pushed, not that they were pushed. You'd have to realize that Feralas was, quite literally, a sheer cliff face's climb away.However, I've come to a bit of a ... er, conclusion? No. Revelation, I suppose.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Pusillin_and_the_Elder_Azj%27Tordin

The Highborne could not leave Eldre'thalas. If they did they lost their immortality, which they were gaining from Immol'thar.

"The Tree of Life is a mighty enchanted sapling of the World Tree, Nordrassil, from which the night elves draw their life energies. This mysterious ancient is the key to the night elves’ immortality and harmonious coexistence with nature. Nordrassil’s energy, channeled through the tree of life, allows the night elves to benefit from its powers regardless of the vast distances that might separate them."

-WC3

This may be why. Those who were in Feralas would've had to rejoin Night Elf society 10,000 years ago right after the sundering or would've become mortal.

04/04/2012 08:56 AMPosted by Falkoen

Last I looked, it was at least a decade old.

Isn't that naught more than a few years to night elves? <_<

Well, technically its not very LONG to a Night Elf, no.

But a "few" is a "few". As in two, three....

The Night Elf speaking that quest is speaking to you in Darnassian.

And personally I don't buy the nonsense of "human years" versus "elf years" and such. A year is a year. One turning of the seasons. Etc. etc.

They measure it just the way we do to all evidence. They just have a lot more years to exist than humans!

04/04/2012 09:21 AMPosted by Talaridan

Isn't that naught more than a few years to night elves? <_<

Well, technically its not very LONG to a Night Elf, no.

But a "few" is a "few". As in two, three....

The Night Elf speaking that quest is speaking to you in Darnassian.

And personally I don't buy the nonsense of "human years" versus "elf years" and such. A year is a year. One turning of the seasons. Etc. etc.

They measure it just the way we do to all evidence. They just have a lot more years to exist than humans!

The thing with years is that they go by much much much faster once you've lived a thousand of them. Heck, once you're fifty time is already seeming to go by much faster. It's not to say that they experience five years in the time a human does ten. But they just see time as going faster than the much shorter lived races.

If it's a question of the passage of time, of course night elves experience time in the present the same way humans do. But retrospectively a night elf may be more loose with "a few" than a human. As little as one percent of a lifetime of memories, versus ten percent for a centenarian human very likely near death at that point, and a much larger fraction for an adult.

A few is an ill-defined quantity. It might be best to let that remain ill-defined rather than trying to beat the subjectivity out of the statement, and find other factual references to use.