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I disappear for a few hours and this just exploded into a personal war. There's really nothing left to salvage or work with. I'm really sorry everyone has personal grievances that they can't let go on all sides of the many different coins that seemed to manifest here. As a new person to the server, this is incredibly disheartening.

I hope you'll all remember that the actions of a few doesn't reflect upon the actions of their guild but then again there seems to be so much baggage and drama that I think I might be hoping for too much. Maybe this was cathartic and people were able to get things out of their systems but I don't think so.

Round and round you go. The whining never ending, thread ever expanding.

06/04/2012 05:00 PMPosted by Alelsa

Amusingly, I see some objections to the attack of a guild meeting coming from the self-same people who, when informed there were requests from horde RPers not to attack them during their (at the time) single weekly RP event, replied "hell no, we'll continue to do whatever we want".

....uhm, wait a second.
Firstly, the question in that particular thread was whether or not it was okay to hold RP-PvP against the Horde while the Horde was at a different RP event elsewhere, and then report it as a victory when no one came to defend. And it was decided it was rude to attack Horde RP events that aren't PvP related, and it was rude to hold RP-PvP against them during that popular weekly event.

Now, are you referring to when I was saying "the Horde attacks Alliance RP events out of the blue for no reason, now they want us to not PvP during there's?" because I feel like that's what I'm saying in this thread too, although I'm not specifically talking about scheduled events in this instance.

Or are you talking about Ragefang saying he loved everyone and he doesn't like people's feelings be hurt by stuff in the game?

Or are you talking about Gentyl saying she doesn't really mind being attacked and that's why she's generally perma-flagged? Which is kind of what she said in this thread... (although in this instance she did flag down.)

Or are you talking about Raoul calling it "bad form" to interrupt RP events?

I believe the Horde (Raoul in specific) said it was quite alright to attack RP events - again, the point of that post was simply that they wouldn't be 'PvP' events if no one responded because we were all at an RP event.

Should probably stop putting words in peoples' mouths, that's what started this mess in the first place.

Amusingly, I see some objections to the attack of a guild meeting coming from the self-same people who, when informed there were requests from horde RPers not to attack them during their (at the time) single weekly RP event, replied "hell no, we'll continue to do whatever we want".

....uhm, wait a second.

Now, are you referring to (snip)

None of the above, Cray. I'm referring to other people jumping in on this particular bandwagon when they have previously stated they would happily continue attacking Horde any day of the week they chose when asked to avoid Tuesdays. No slur intended towards yourself, or anyone in Pia (or to Raoul or Ragefang, for that matter)

Like I said, I'm just tired of seeing people using this as an excuse to keep pushing for OOC conflict between horde and alliance players. It doesn't do your original complaint any service whatsoever when they do that.

06/04/2012 05:10 PMPosted by Crayauchtin

See, now, still missing the point that even if Gentyl HAD dropped flag it wouldn't have gone down yet.

I think I may have missed where you said it, but just how many times were you attacked?

06/04/2012 05:10 PMPosted by Crayauchtin

I think my alt Gruzzexl would like your character a lot and if you don't mind how low a level he is (it turns out, I hate playing casters. Oops.) and how slow my typing is (unless it becomes illegibly full of typos. Shakey hands.)

Gladly. Shoot me a tell anytime when I'm on.

Far too many of you seem to think players on the the other side are your OOC enemy, instead of simply keeping it in-game.

As I've observed on the story forum and elsewhere, this is by no means uncommon, and the dissonance of values that separates Horde players from Alliance players ensures that disagreement will be heated and ongoing. Take that as you will, but there is a huge gulf between dedicated Horde and Alliance players. That gulf ensures that cross faction cooperation is probably not going to happen, and that OOC antagonism is just about inevitable. Posts like the one at the top of page 4 confirm this.

Although, this whole thing gives me the opportunity to ask a question that I would otherwise say is insensitive, or even outrageous to ask, let alone contemplate. I still believe so, but perhaps the community doesn't? Horde: would it be all right if I got a few friends together with the specific intent of attacking your RP events? If not, why not? Where is the dividing line between acceptable and unacceptable in your opinion?

Or are you talking about Gentyl saying she doesn't really mind being attacked and that's why she's generally perma-flagged? Which is kind of what she said in this thread... (although in this instance she did flag down.)

Cray I did not flag down. I said I might have to if it continued to be a problem so we could get some business finished.

Kyalin. We'd flag down. Or, if we really didn't want to get interrupted, we wouldn't be flagged to begin with. If we are flagged, we tend to never have much of an issue with dealing with interrupters before moving onto business again.

06/04/2012 10:45 PMPosted by Rowanne

Kyalin. We'd flag down. Imagine that!

Well, that's easy enough to skirt. I mean, wouldn't it be annoying if I were to say, drag guards to where you were holding your event and proceed to kill them in the middle of it?

I can't say that's ever happened at a Clinic, which is really the only event that's set in a specific enough area that it might get annoying. Am I missing something? Did Raoul do this or are we just throwing out complete hypotheticals? Also adjusted my previous response a bit belatedly.

06/04/2012 10:51 PMPosted by Rowanne

I can't say that's ever happened at a Clinic, which is really the only event that's set in a specific enough area that it might get annoying. Am I missing something? Did Raoul do this or are we just throwing out complete hypotheticals? Also adjusted my previous response a bit belatedly.

I've just had this happen on other servers, so I wanted to get your answer here.

I can't imagine we'd hold an event at a place where guards could be dragged over, whilst flagged.

I mean it's possible, but I can't think of a place it'd really apply.

I've noticed a rather steady trend in this thread that everyone seems to have their own facts and those facts seem to diverging. As far as I can tell, someone got ganked during an RP event because they were flagged. It's annoying, but thats what can happen if you are flagged.

And the annoyance from the horde side comes from organizing Rp-pvp to occur on the night of a recurring RP event, and interpretting the results of the pvp a certain way. Again, this is legal, but it's also a little disingenuous since the RPer's have a previous commitment.

And these walls of text responses are not helping what should be straightforward issue, so let's keep the filibusters out of this.

I don't really see why it's relevant to this conversation, but I will answer since I'm bored. I'd roll my eyes RL, and probably go pick a new place with the people I was RPing with. We've dealt with RP griefers occasionally who see us RPing and like to try to piss off the 'loser' RPers. We either ignore them until they leave because they get bored, or just kill them. If it's persistent we roll up our bags and find a new place, and then go back to RPing.

06/04/2012 11:00 PMPosted by Rowanne

I don't really see why it's relevant to this conversation, but I will answer since I'm bored. I'd roll my eyes RL, and probably go pick a new place with the people I was RPing with. We've dealt with RP griefers occasionally who see us RPing and like to try to piss off the 'loser' RPers. We either ignore them until they leave because they get bored, or just kill them. If it's persistent we roll up our bags and find a new place, and then go back to RPing.

I didn't exactly ask what you would do if I were to hypothetically round up a few friends and do this. I am asking for your permission to do this. Would you want me to do this, or not mind if I did this?

Again, if not, why not? Where is the dividing line?

Uh, my permission? I don't control you. You ultimately will do what you want. I'd find it annoying, sure, but I also don't control what others do, so would just do what I would need to do if it was annoying me that much.

06/04/2012 11:11 PMPosted by Rowanne

Uh, my permission? I don't control you. You ultimately will do what you want. I'd find it annoying, sure, but I also don't control what others do, so would just do what I would need to do if it was annoying me that much.

It's a 'yes or no' question. If I were to ask your permission to arrange a posse specifically to target your RP events, would you grant it?