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06/04/2012 10:58 PMPosted by Razavan

And these walls of text responses are not helping what should be straightforward issue, so let's keep the filibusters out of this.

Sometimes folks just have more to say; it isn't a filibuster. Brevity just isn't a gift everyone has (nor should it be; I'm always personally inclined to think that anything which amounts to "TL;DR" is just laziness, but that's me...).

Kyalin,

If you and your friends attacked the Clinic, whether or not NPC guards were involved, here is how I'd respond.

The first two or three times, I'd encourage the rest of the Horde present ICly and OOCly to kill you. If it became blatantly obvious that you are only doing this to grief, and you weren't planning on stopping, I'd follow these steps.

1) Grab someone on RealID to ask your intentions.
2) Flag down, and ask the others present to flag down.

If you continued to grief by pulling guards over, jumping around flagged, etc, I'd probably announce it in general and trade and consider relocating for the rest of the evening.

Kyalin,

If you and your friends attacked the Clinic, whether or not NPC guards were involved, here is how I'd respond.

The first two or three times, I'd encourage the rest of the Horde present ICly and OOCly to kill you. If it became blatantly obvious that you are only doing this to grief, and you weren't planning on stopping, I'd follow these steps.

1) Grab someone on RealID to ask your intentions.
2) Flag down, and ask the others present to flag down.

If you continued to grief by pulling guards over, jumping around flagged, etc, I'd probably announce it in general and trade and consider relocating for the rest of the evening.

Again though, I wasn't asking what you would do if I did it. To answer in this fashion is to answer a completely different question.

I was asking, if I were to hypothetically ask, would you not mind if I did those things? Would you grant permission?

Well, I think my post pretty much answered that question, too.

Honestly? I don't really care if you attack in the first place. If there's an IC reason, go ahead.

Just have the good grace not to overstay your welcome. (It can certainly be a great addition to RP, particularly at a Clinic. However, some folks who show up have no wish to get involved. Drawing the Doctas into an evening of PVP deprives these people of their wish for RP.)

The last attack on the Clinic consisted of us beating down the attackers repeatedly, then them swarming back in to kill the folks with the least gear/HP, before we killed them again. When we realized they weren't really going to be stopping anytime soon, we all flagged down. Game over.

The Big Question:
I pay $15 a month just like everyone else so why should I care about this and why doesn't everyone accept my RP?

The Over-Simplified Answer:
Because Roleplaying is a group activity, and if your behavior is leading to people not wanting to participate, or interact with you, then not only does it hurt your character's potential, but the RP community as a whole.

I believe that this is the message that Cray is trying to get across.

And we have a winner! :D

06/05/2012 08:57 AMPosted by Oskor

The last attack on the Clinic consisted of us beating down the attackers repeatedly, then them swarming back in to kill the folks with the least gear/HP, before we killed them again. When we realized they weren't really going to be stopping anytime soon, we all flagged down. Game over.

See, exactly. We attacked in the hopes of quickly getting it over with and done with so we could move on with our activity. When it didn't seem that that was going to happen, we moved and flagged down. That's not where the issue comes in -- the issue is, we should not have had to. It's griefing and it was being done by RPers.
I just don't understand the sheer lack of common courtesy, is all.

06/05/2012 07:39 AMPosted by Rowanne

I'm not so sure why it's so difficult to accept that some people just are not going to be courteous,

What is really galling me in this thread isn't that people aren't courteous. I'm aware of this -- I work in retail in real life, I am fully aware that people aren't nice. What is really galling me is that people are supporting and encouraging people not to be courteous. We should be discouraging this kind of behavior, not shrugging at it or, even worse, backing it.

06/05/2012 08:02 AMPosted by Ragefang

Brevity just isn't a gift everyone has

Yeah, I don't mean to fillibuster, I'm just very wordy. All of the time.

Yeah, I don't mean to fillibuster, I'm just very wordy. All of the time.

I was mostly talking about myself. Brevity has never been a gift of mine. Part of it is I type really fast, so it's easy for me to get my ideas on the screen nearly as quickly as they occur. Those who type slower often try to summarize so they can finish things more quickly. :)

I think everyone's had their chance to air out everything they wanted to say or felt the world needed to know even if it had absolutely nothing to do with this. Can we move back to something more productive now?

06/05/2012 09:51 AMPosted by Gentyl

I think everyone's had their chance to air out everything they wanted to say or felt the world needed to know even if it had absolutely nothing to do with this. Can we move back to something more productive now?

Like bumping this thread?

06/05/2012 10:32 AMPosted by Elgunaz

I think everyone's had their chance to air out everything they wanted to say or felt the world needed to know even if it had absolutely nothing to do with this. Can we move back to something more productive now?

Like bumping this thread?

Irony, thy name is Elgunaz. ;)

06/05/2012 10:59 AMPosted by Ragefang

Like bumping this thread?

Irony, thy name is Elgunaz. ;)

My irony is to point out the irony of writing a post to tell people 'please drop it', which inevitably bumps the thread and draws even more attention to it.

Irony, thy name is Elgunaz. ;)

My irony is to point out the irony of writing a post to tell people 'please drop it', which inevitably bumps the thread and draws even more attention to it.

Meh, people will inevitably drop it when they no longer have anything to say. It's the way of things. In the meantime, if people are still posting, they still have something to say.

What is really galling me in this thread isn't that people aren't courteous. I'm aware of this -- I work in retail in real life, I am fully aware that people aren't nice. What is really galling me is that people are supporting and encouraging people not to be courteous. We should be discouraging this kind of behavior, not shrugging at it or, even worse, backing it

Uh, what? Who is backing it? I didn't see anyone saying 'He was totally justified!' I even said he was a jerk, and I RP with the guy and am friends with him. I'm shrugging at it because, you know why? Guess what? It's happened to all of us! Repeatedly! Many of us have been around in game since Vanilla, and dealt with the worst of the worst of really horrible griefing - not someone messing with us for less than 5 minutes. You get to a point where you realize you aren't going to win against some people. It's called /being realistic./ Why am I going to waste my time and energy getting genuinely angry and upset over people in a game when I can just chuckle, go 'Man, what a dbag' to my friends, and then just fix the situation if I can, and move on? That's MY point. I'm fairly sure it's other people's point, too.

I really don't understand why it is that what other people think is getting to you so much. Plenty of people don't agree with my RP methodologies. Do I sweat over it? Do I make call out posts on the forums and get cranky when people don't agree with me? No. I make crass comments to my friends, who are like minded, and am over it, because if people have no interest in changing, trying to slam their head against the wall over and over isn't going to do anything.

*editted because everything is a curseword to blizz. >>

*puts a cute kitty down on the thread and walks away*

This thread just needs to die a natural death of neglect.

No change will come from this, and it is starting to make Cenarion Circle look like a pretty petty place to play.

If you have a grievance with someone take it up privately with that someone.

06/05/2012 02:50 PMPosted by Pang

pretty petty place to play

Pr-...pretty pat... per...

I think I got it.

Your name sounds familiar, Pang. Have you been gone a while?

He's usually the one skulking about Stormwind and ganking Gentyl, Saavedro.

I think he has the hots for her.