07/24/2012 02:27 PMPosted by KodI'll reiterate: the problem isn't with PvP. It's with the behavior evidenced by some who participate in it.
I'll try and keep this short and sweet.
Speaking from the side that has actually been involved, numerous times, in the World PvP being conducted as of late, it is a great success. Horde to defend. They do have numbers. The only thing they lack is organization.
Speaking from the experience that has come along with conducting these raids, it is safe to say that after putting together 6+ different FTAs and downing Garrosh more than 10 times, it is safe to say that a majority of the Alliance is glad to see what is happening. That's speaking for many individuals though. That doesn't speak for people who answer to another leader or ride under another flag (refer to Imperon or yourself in this case).
All that being said, I have two things more to cover for you.
First, if I wanted to run a RPPvP event where it would take a lot of time to plan and see who would actually show up only to have some unforeseen problem arise due to a lack of communication, then I would do that; however, I would rather not waste my time with that. I find what has been happening as of late to be far more productive.
Here is an example too: The last RPPvP event out in the World was hosted by Modas of Horde. Problem with the event was that a lack of communication on their part saw an Alliance turnout higher than the numbers they had for the event. What ended up happening was the Modas didn't mention to the Alliance participating that they were cancelling the event and just left those there ready to participate high and dry. Seems to me both sides are capable of being disrespectful, wouldn't you agree?
That example, of my own personal experience, only serves to underscore my point that it takes way too much time. There's another example, too, with your War Council events where Horde (some RP guilds mostly I believe) declined to participate because of the event falling on a day when they did other RP. To each their own though.
Second, about the attitudes yet again. Seeing as I already know what the problem is (as indicated by Horde that whisper me or posts like Imperon's on his guild forum), it isn't the attitudes overall. The issue is that people are not doing what they would otherwise like.
If it was as simple as just a bad attitude, then people would ignore like like RPers would ignore a griefer that comes in and runs around screaming, "lolrp." You are right that Imperon wrote a good post Rage. It fully shows that the issue extends far beyond the attitudes/behaviors that you mention. It falls into the realm of people not conducting PvP in a manner that people like Imperon would like.
Correction: A new member organized a roleplay event. He expected Pia would be responsible and not invite an army of people who not only do not RP but have shown nothing but contempt for the RP community. It wouldn't be IC to throw 5 people at an army of 30 (especially when Pia was the minority in such an event; that is simply something that has long been understood by RP guilds for these sort of conflicts). This was an event attempt by a new member who knew the Alliance involved before they knew us, who requested our aid and did not think to explain to a long standing RP guild the need for not inviting not only such a massive group (when they know exactly how small we are) but people who were known griefers with no consideration of RP. Why would we throw our characters into that? I said I would not do it, and the member who actually organized it went over to Alliance side to explain things. Perhaps that information didn't actually get to you.
I had no personal desire to give this thread attention but you needed to be corrected. I am not going to allow you to drag my guilds name in your mud.
