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04/05/2014 05:37 PMPosted by Smoe

While I agree with you that Malfurion has too much power than he really needs, he has a tragic weakness that we've only seen exploited once or twice in the course of the game. His judgement falters when it comes to those who are close to him and he's also not that politically adept.

That's not really a weakness as much as a sign of being a hero. You'd have to be either a villain or goblin-like neutral in order to not care about your loved ones. Superman also has this problem, but the difference between him and Malfurion is that he also has Kryptonite which his enemies exploit against him very often.

I will admit that Malfurion isn't as powerful as Superman and likely can be hurt by common things such as rocks but it's really not enough. The main reason why I never got into the Superman storyline is because he's got all these powers and only one real weakness: Kryptonite. Because of that, if his enemies are not sporting Kryptonite in their arsenal, Superman will always win. Always. Same concept with Malfurion.

This is one of the reasons why I like mortals is because of the unpredictability involved. You ever watch The Walking Dead? Despite there being a list of main characters it's still believable, but still people still die at unpredictable times. The unpredictability effects me more than the actual storyline does.

If Malfurion was as powerful as a normal Druid, and despite being a main character could certainly die as easily as any normal mortal in Azeroth then imo his storyline could be far more interesting and powerful than normally. Because right now, he's one of the most powerful characters in all of Azeroth, and so the only way to stop him from obliterating the Horde is by declaring unreasonable neutrality, which has gotten most of the players upset.

I propose that as a solution to his problem of being one of the most powerful characters in Azeroth, we could just nerf him down to being average but still wielding a powerful heart and willingness of doing what's right.

04/05/2014 05:37 PMPosted by Smoe

I flat out agree with you on Thrall though. He was taking the war out of Warcraft. Out of curiosity, what was going on with Aggra? I never really played a Hordie.

It's been a while since I read the books, but I think when the Shattering began, Thrall traveled to Nagrand for answers and that was where he met Aggra, who at first was pretty mean and angry towards Thrall. She too was a Shaman working in Garadar. Don't ask me how, but somehow I guess Thrall found her to be attractive and they became boyfriend and girlfriend.

Then later when he was out saving the world, Aggra devolved into a caring and loving wife, completely devoid of her initial character, Thrall got married to her atop Mount Hyjal where the Dragon Aspects attended, despite the fact that Nozdormu was the leader of a hated faction in Vanilla who hated all mortal affairs.

After that, at the end of Cataclysm, Alexstrasza announced that Aggra was pregnant (which spouted off the whole "if Thrall was out saving the world, where did he find the time to get Aggra pregnant" arguments.)

Since then, the only mentions I've had on her has been about being Thrall's wife. Her entire characterization has gone down the toilet.

04/05/2014 05:37 PMPosted by Smoe

It was? I thought they were elves before that too.

http://wowpedia.org/Night_elf

According to the History portion of the Night Elf page, Dark Trolls originally settled around the Well of Eternity and over time, they evolved into Night Elves. The page also speculated about how Elune could live in the waters during the day, but from what we know, it was the Well of Eternity that changed them. Elune could have changed them as well but we don't know.

04/05/2014 05:37 PMPosted by Smoe

I really don't remember her being heartless. Of course, heartless to me would be like her kicking aside a dead sentinel who just took a bullet for her while calling her useless.

I may have exaggerated a bit when I called her "heartless." But she was able to go out and slay any and all threats to her lands without a second thought.

04/05/2014 05:37 PMPosted by Smoe

And I don't think she's fully subservient either.

She's probably not but most people complain about her lack of involvement in Night Elven affairs. I'm not the right person to talk to about this type of concern. Other people are likely far more educated on this matter than I am.

I actually have watched the Walking Dead and I like those aspects of it too.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone close to him is going crazy and he doesn't see obvious signs because he just doesn't want to believe it. It is an aspect of a hero, but it is still a weakness that could put him in danger.

Another thing is I don't think Malfurion is really strong enough to stop the Horde on a whim. He's a great tactician and a powerful Druid, but he doesn't always make the best decisions when it comes to his people and he does have a cryptonite that hasn't been exploited fully yet. Plague.

Mass entanglement -- plague the roots
Ally of nature -- plague the trees
Call of the Wild -- plague the wildlife

At that point, Malfurion is probably spending all of his time trying to cure everything and is out of the battle.

That's where Tyrande comes in for the big archer duel with Sylvannis

Yeah that Aggra stuff is weird. Thrall probably should've married Jaina character-wise but I like new Jaina.

What are your thoughts on undead Druids?

04/05/2014 07:45 PMPosted by Smoe

I was thinking more along the lines of someone close to him is going crazy and he doesn't see obvious signs because he just doesn't want to believe it. It is an aspect of a hero, but it is still a weakness that could put him in danger.

You mean that the reason why Tyrande has devolved from Warrior to housewife is because she's going insane due to Malfurion's presence? That would be a movement I could get behind. *chuckles*

04/05/2014 07:45 PMPosted by Smoe

Another thing is I don't think Malfurion is really strong enough to stop the Horde on a whim.

He could certainly try, but we don't even see him doing that.

04/05/2014 07:45 PMPosted by Smoe

At that point, Malfurion is probably spending all of his time trying to cure everything and is out of the battle.

I thought you said that Tyrande was more compassionate than Malfurion was? If so then wouldn't it be possible that he would just bring Tyrande along with him, and Tyrande would just hide from the battle and pray to Elune to purify the plants of any plague magics?

Also we saw something similar to this in the book called Stormrage. Here's a link to its synopsis if you care to read it:
http://wowpedia.org/Stormrage

Anyways in the book, Malfurion got to fight against the Emerald Nightmare, which is essentially a force of Old Gods who were attempting to corrupt the Emerald Dream by corrupting plants.

Through a very long and boring story, Malfurion manages to defeat Xavius, who was the first satyr who was working for the Burning Legion during the War of the Ancients books. And along the way he became superpowered, giving him access to both the Emerald Dream and the real world at the same time.

Due to his prolonged exposure to the Emerald Dream, he's become essentially a superdruid, which is the basis of the argument that we're having right now. If you want someone to blame, you should blame Richard A. Knaak, the author of the book (whom the story forum also hates,) for not just upgrading Malfurion into Superman but also for writing an extremely contrived and boring book which Blizzard decided to make canon.

04/05/2014 07:45 PMPosted by Smoe

That's where Tyrande comes in for the big archer duel with Sylvannis

I'm not really sure why the Forsaken would invade Ashenvale, but who knows? Maybe Malfurion would cut his neutrality and invade Tirisfal Glades? That would certainly be a good story imo. Although it would spell out eventual doom for the Forsaken.

04/05/2014 07:45 PMPosted by Smoe

What are your thoughts on undead Druids?

I'm all for them if only for breaking from the nonsense we've been stuck with. Utilizing the power of the plague, the Forsaken tap into the power of Nature magics, and the most attuned to the Plague can become Plague Druids.

Plus, from what one of my friends had mentioned it would be pretty cool to turn into a Bear and then start eating a corpse.

[quote="124249744235"]What are your thoughts on undead Druids?

I'm all for them if only for breaking from the nonsense we've been stuck with. Utilizing the power of the plague, the Forsaken tap into the power of Nature magics, and the most attuned to the Plague can become Plague Druids.

Plus, from what one of my friends had mentioned it would be pretty cool to turn into a Bear and then start eating a corpse.

"Undead" druids powered by fungus and spores like in "The Last of Us" wouldn't even have to be powered by fel magic.

04/05/2014 10:35 PMPosted by Vynathlon

I thought you said that Tyrande was more compassionate than Malfurion was? If so then wouldn't it be possible that he would just bring Tyrande along with him, and Tyrande would just hide from the battle and pray to Elune to purify the plants of any plague magics?

I don't remember Tyrande having much access to healing magic. She can try her hand at deplaqueing but I also don't see her being all that effective.

04/05/2014 10:35 PMPosted by Vynathlon

You mean that the reason why Tyrande has devolved from Warrior to housewife is because she's going insane due to Malfurion's presence? That would be a movement I could get behind. *chuckles*

Malfurion has to die and become a boss in the Sylvannnis raid as the first plague druid, but that's a little further in the future. I could actually see like a giant boomkin encounter being awesome.

What powers exactly did Malfurion gain from the book?

04/05/2014 10:35 PMPosted by Vynathlon

I'm not really sure why the Forsaken would invade Ashenvale, but who knows? Maybe Malfurion would cut his neutrality and invade Tirisfal Glades? That would certainly be a good story imo. Although it would spell out eventual doom for the Forsaken.

Someone has to pick up the slack and keep the Night Elves busy since the Orcs got waffled in SoO. Plus, more death = more people for the Banshee Queen. At some point, she'll have raised so many that they have to reinstate a new banshee queen so that they all don't go ape!@#$ when she dies.

04/05/2014 10:35 PMPosted by Vynathlon

I'm all for them if only for breaking from the nonsense we've been stuck with. Utilizing the power of the plague, the Forsaken tap into the power of Nature magics, and the most attuned to the Plague can become Plague Druids.

Plus, from what one of my friends had mentioned it would be pretty cool to turn into a Bear and then start eating a corpse.

04/06/2014 05:47 AMPosted by Threeslotbag

"Undead" druids powered by fungus and spores like in "The Last of Us" wouldn't even have to be powered by fel magic.

When Sylvannis becomes a raid boss, this should happen.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

I don't remember Tyrande having much access to healing magic. She can try her hand at deplaqueing but I also don't see her being all that effective.

Well she has the power of Elune on her side so anything's possible.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

What powers exactly did Malfurion gain from the book?

I'm not even sure. But you know how Malfurion is like right now? Well before he entered the dream he was nothing more than a slightly powerful Druid.

Now, he has several different animals combined into his main form, he's essentially Superman, he had that ability to stop that typhoon in Darkshore, and apparently he's evolved to the point where he's capable of fighting the Nightmare in the Emerald Dream, and also fight things in the real world at the same time.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

Someone has to pick up the slack and keep the Night Elves busy since the Orcs got waffled in SoO. Plus, more death = more people for the Banshee Queen. At some point, she'll have raised so many that they have to reinstate a new banshee queen so that they all don't go ape!@#$ when she dies.

Eh the Lich King managed fine even with millions of Undead under his command. Sylvanas just needs to infiltrate Icecrown and steal the Helm of Domination from Bolvar. Then she could upgrade from Banshee Queen to Lich Queen.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

When Sylvannis becomes a raid boss, this should happen.

You mean if she becomes a raid boss this should happen. Sylvanas is one of the only people I like that's left in the game. The thing about raid bosses is that when they die they can't come back.

That said, if there was any way that she wouldn't die if she became a raid boss and she could continue doing what she's been doing, and also remain leader of the Forsaken, then I don't see anything wrong with her being a raid boss.

That said, I think we could do the same thing with all other faction leaders. Something tells me a raid on Ironforge would be pretty fun.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

I don't remember Tyrande having much access to healing magic. She can try her hand at deplaqueing but I also don't see her being all that effective.

I'm pretty sure she heals some people randomly in the books. I don't remember any specific instances but I feel like I've read that a few times.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

What powers exactly did Malfurion gain from the book?

In Stormrage he basically became a Super-Saiyan from DBZ. He reached deep within himself and shot a huge laser out of his chest which obliterated the avatar of the Old Gods. This avatar at that point had total control of the entire planet of Azeroth for several weeks. It thankfully is never mentioned in game...ever.

"Hey, remember that time that the Old Gods put every single person on the planet to sleep for a few weeks and there were no casualties or long term effects due to that?"

Xavius survived. His remnant is in Teldrassil.

Malfurion's power was to summon a monsoon and he unleashed a tornado on Xavius(the same kind he used in Darkshore actually) which killed him.

04/07/2014 09:57 PMPosted by Yvenathilm

Xavius survived. His remnant is in Teldrassil.

Malfurion's power was to summon a monsoon and he unleashed a tornado on Xavius(the same kind he used in Darkshore actually) which killed him.

Didn't that get destroyed during the Night Elf's questing?

Yup! We were the ones who finished him off.

Does the fact that the same kind of tornado used to reduce Xavius to that weakened state also appears in Darkshore upset any of you? It dosen't upset me(even though that's the 2nd biggest tornado created by any character with Thrall creating the 3rd biggest in Frostfire Gorge in WoD and Al'Akir creating the biggest in phase 3).

04/08/2014 08:29 AMPosted by Yvenathilm

Does the fact that the same kind of tornado used to reduce Xavius to that weakened state also appears in Darkshore upset any of you? It dosen't upset me(even though that's the 2nd biggest tornado created by any character with Thrall creating the 3rd biggest in Frostfire Gorge in WoD and Al'Akir creating the biggest in phase 3).

I can honestly say I don't care about tornado sizes in the slightest. I'm just glad that Xavius is gone forever, he was pretty lame. I did find the RPG plot point that Satyrs can't make new Satyrs without him interesting though. He was the source, and without him their ability to procreate was getting weaker and weaker every generation.

04/08/2014 12:51 PMPosted by Threeslotbag

04/08/2014 08:29 AMPosted by Yvenathilm

Does the fact that the same kind of tornado used to reduce Xavius to that weakened state also appears in Darkshore upset any of you? It dosen't upset me(even though that's the 2nd biggest tornado created by any character with Thrall creating the 3rd biggest in Frostfire Gorge in WoD and Al'Akir creating the biggest in phase 3).

I can honestly say I don't care about tornado sizes in the slightest. I'm just glad that Xavius is gone forever, he was pretty lame. I did find the RPG plot point that Satyrs can't make new Satyrs without him interesting though. He was the source, and without him their ability to procreate was getting weaker and weaker every generation.

Too bad Malfurion couldn't have gone with him.

04/07/2014 05:54 PMPosted by Threeslotbag

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

I don't remember Tyrande having much access to healing magic. She can try her hand at deplaqueing but I also don't see her being all that effective.

I'm pretty sure she heals some people randomly in the books. I don't remember any specific instances but I feel like I've read that a few times.

04/06/2014 05:33 PMPosted by Smoe

What powers exactly did Malfurion gain from the book?

In Stormrage he basically became a Super-Saiyan from DBZ. He reached deep within himself and shot a huge laser out of his chest which obliterated the avatar of the Old Gods. This avatar at that point had total control of the entire planet of Azeroth for several weeks. It thankfully is never mentioned in game...ever.

"Hey, remember that time that the Old Gods put every single person on the planet to sleep for a few weeks and there were no casualties or long term effects due to that?"

Tyrande was a noted healer in WotA, healing wounds that were unhealable (including poisoned demon attacks) and it always worked for her. She never failed a single time to heal someone. EVER. From fatal wounds even. Which was why Shandris and Seeds of Faith was so BS. I

As for the DBZ Malfurion line... Even his eyes are green now (or, at least, rimmed with a green glow)

From what I read Malfurion never actually lasered Xavius to death he just hit him with Darkshore level of Tornado.

04/08/2014 07:07 PMPosted by Yvenathilm

From what I read Malfurion never actually lasered Xavius to death he just hit him with Darkshore level of Tornado.

His powerlevel was so high he made a boom big enough to wake every living creature on Azeroth wake up.

Not sure if this thread is the right place to ask questions for this thing but here goes.

Okay I have 4 questions (I guess you can just pick one or answer them all, idk):

1. Valeera Sanguinar. She swore her allegiance to only Varian and Anduin, so how come she didn't help us search for Anduin in the Jade Forest? Where is she even?

2. Where is Med'an and what might he be doing at this time? I don't think we've ever had the chance to meet him in person yet.

3. Turalyon and Alleria. Alleria hates Orcs with a burning passion, but now has relatives on the Horde. However she also has a sister in the Alliance along with her love Turalyon and their son Arator. If this lovely couple were ever to return to Azeroth, who's faction would they join? Which side would Alleria take in all of this? Would Turalyon follow Alleria or would they split up? (Or would they just see how badly we messed up Azeroth and go back through the portal they came from lol)

4. What is under Tirisfal Glades? Can we have clues yet?

04/09/2014 01:52 PMPosted by Koshun

1. Valeera Sanguinar. She swore her allegiance to only Varian and Anduin, so how come she didn't help us search for Anduin in the Jade Forest? Where is she even?

2. Where is Med'an and what might he be doing at this time? I don't think we've ever had the chance to meet him in person yet.

3. Turalyon and Alleria. Alleria hates Orcs with a burning passion, but now has relatives on the Horde. However she also has a sister in the Alliance along with her love Turalyon and their son Arator. If this lovely couple were ever to return to Azeroth, who's faction would they join? Which side would Alleria take in all of this? Would Turalyon follow Alleria or would they split up? (Or would they just see how badly we messed up Azeroth and go back through the portal they came from lol)

4. What is under Tirisfal Glades? Can we have clues yet?

1. Valeera Sanguinar is MIA. In "Stormrage" Broll asked Varian where she was and he said she disappeared a few weeks earlier. That's the last she's been mentioned other than Hearthstone.
2. Med'an is MIA. He was last seen under the care of his uncle Maraad, but Maraad has been seen a few times since then in stories and game without his nephew.
3. There have been a couple long threads about this. She likely wouldn't be too happy with either of her sisters so it's unknown how she would react. Also, her years spent with the relatively peaceful leftover orcs on Outland may have changed her view of them.
4. All we know is "Not an Old God".

04/09/2014 06:10 PMPosted by Threeslotbag

4. All we know is "Not an Old God".

Due to that event that happens in Tirisfal every so often, I'd have to assume it has something to do with the Emerald Dream.

04/10/2014 12:36 AMPosted by Vynathlon

04/09/2014 06:10 PMPosted by Threeslotbag

4. All we know is "Not an Old God".

Due to that event that happens in Tirisfal every so often, I'd have to assume it has something to do with the Emerald Dream.

If you are talking about the Fey-Drunk Darter event I don't think it has much to do with whatever power lurks deep beneath the glades driving everyone insane. Emerald Dream stuff isn't usually so sinister and buried deep under the earth.

Here's a vid of the event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsrEIRbZIjs

Twitter is a third party, yuck. It's like working around Twitch polls or youtube subscribers.

Question: Can lore provide an IN-GAME explanation to inventory?

How does a story get written about items? Four adventuring heroes cannot possibly carry tents or cabins fighting skeletons, let alone banquet feasts, stacks of smelted metal bars, even spell books!

How do items mystically POP! into our grasp? Do casters levitate items into enchanted satchels using wands? Without a backpack in game, it's hard to see how a character could equip an item without picking it up from the ground or a weapon rack, or using practical magic (not the heavy duty shadow or Divine spells that assist us in combat).

The core impossibility plaguing every quester's mind is how to handle inventory with so many filled bags with tattered cloths found from zombies.