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03/31/2012 03:10 PMPosted by Trever

As to the subject of the Stormwind City Watch being in authority within the boundaries of Duskwood, I think that until the lore is changed and Blizzard implements the return of Stormwind soldiers in should not follow under Stormwind's juristiction. It clearly states in the lore that Duskwood has been abandoned by Stormwind and left to rot. All quests that are within Duskwood as well as the NPC's comments within Darkshire clearly states this. Once Blizzard has returned the soldiers to Darkshire and the NPC's are adjusted accordingly that Stormwind's help has arrived, I feel that RPing the watch inforcing anything here really does not fit into the lore status of Duskwood. If someone was to break a law within Stormwind City, Elwynn Forest, Westfall or Lakeshire and tried to seek refuge within Duskwood then certainly the watch should investigate this and bring such person to justice but to simply patrol the area does not make lore-sense in my eyes. What do you guys think? I'm open to thoughts on this topic.

Duskwood does fall under Stormwind's rule, even if the citizens themselves feel they have been forsaken. The people there are much in the same boat as the people in say, Westfall, meaning that even though their situation may be bad due to Stormwind's lack of support, they still fall under such jurisdiction. To say Duskwood doesn't fall under Stormwind's laws would be like saying a run-down neighborhood "Major City" doesn't fall under the police department's laws just because it's a rough area.

For as long as I've been on the server (roughly 2 years), the Watch has always pursued criminals both out of and into Duskwood, so to say now that they shouldn't have that jurisdiction won't really lead anywhere.

03/31/2012 03:22 PMPosted by Glaceaux

I personally find it offensive that another "guild" is forcing its RP laws on us as a realm. Sure, what if you loot said items... Are you in violation then?

Possessing an item in-game is much different than claiming to ICly have it.

The Watch is not going to care if you *looted* [Bag of Stormwind Guard Blood], but running around and claiming you've got it ICly would get you some attention from the boys in blue.

Of course, any "good Alliance hero" would abide by the law. That goes without saying. But that what my post focused on.

Aziel was talking about good rpers. There's a difference. If you don't want to accept swcw, then just say you aren't accepting them and go on your way.

I personally find it offensive that another "guild" is forcing its RP laws on us as a realm. Sure, what if you loot said items... Are you in violation then?

Then don't rp with them. send an ooc message to orwyn and say you or your guild doesn't want to participate and they will put you on a do not interact with list. The acceptance is voluntary, no one is going to force you to rp something you don't want to.

I'm guessing that, as a member of the Horde, me skulking in the Dwarven District and slaughtering citizens is not technically under the Watch's purview? ;)

Aziel was talking about good rpers. There's a difference. If you don't want to accept swcw, then just say you aren't accepting them and go on your way.

Nice to make assumptions, but I do understand how text can be difficult to relay what one is saying properly.

My guildmates & I have no problems with the idea of these laws. But we do, however, have a wee disagreement when it comes to the RP of Duskwood in itself. There's no need to get all defensive, folks..this is a disdagreement that we have RP'd out with Orwyn & his guild.

Different points of view is just that - I agree to disagree, t when another's RP tramples over someone else's, it doesn't make it fun for anyone. When there is a chance for comprimise & it's brushed away, well..that's a sad thing. But, that is his perogative to do what he wishes :)

The EDC in duskwood has an established RP that the Night watch (An independant (Of Stormwind) militia orginzation) and they defend duskwood and it citizens becuase Stormwind has forsaken them. Since Stormwind doesnt seem to want to help the EDC has taken it upon themselves to ally with the Night Watch and those of Darkshire and though are willing to accept 'general law' believe that SWC should involve/inform EDC about thier activities in the lands in which they defend.

It would be the same as if a run-down neighborhood "Major City" was under the enforcement of say a local gang and the police did not care to wander in thier becuase they could not vouch for thier safety. (Which is not unreasonable becuase of all the complaints the NPC's chime out when you sit in Darkshire about how its unsafe there and that Stormwind doesnt care).

I happen to live near an area where police do actually avoid certain areas of a city becuase it simply is too harsh an area. So when the local authorities fail, as like in duskwood, the locals take charge (EDC and Night Watch) and dont really care what the police (SWC) have to say about it.

There had been a few rps taken place between EDC and SWC upon this very topic. This has a very real potential to become an instance of stepping on other rp groups toes due to years (more than 2) of established rp. I suggest caution and respect.

I never said that it does not fall under Stormwind rule. What I am stating is that they were abandoned by Stormwind and the guards patroling it is not in character with the "current" lore.

I think, since we seem to be having issues with coming to terms with an ooc, or ic agreement at this point, it may be best to just not step on each others toes at this point.

What happens later can happen later.

However, it would be appreciated if we could keep this thread on topic and not derail it further.

Any issues EDC has with our guild or members IC or OOC can be discussed in private from now on, thanks.

However, it would be appreciated if we could keep this thread on topic and not derail it further.

We were just speaking of Lore, and our concerns as to how the Watch deals with that. I would think that is on topic. Valid concerns for RPers on this realm. No harm, no foul.

Here's the thing. We want to RP with this Guild. But they don't seem to want to unless we agree to submit to them as their underlings. They want to be able to come in and start investigating some crime without notifying the local law enforcement. It was this refusal, and continue refusal to acknowledge the local protectors and politics as equals. They continue to refer to us like we were lowly commoners. Unacceptable. A mere Corporal of the Stormwind Watch should never address a Archdruid of the Cenarion Circle as though he is a commoner on the streets of Stormwind. That is just not only rude but poor diplomancy.

Another thing. Police Officers who do come to Darkshire should realize that their action reflect upon the King. They already have a bad rap with the locals and behaving like bullies would only provoke rebellion. The Watch should be trying to earn back the trust of the locals by addressing their chosen Officers as equals and respect with full disclosure of their investigations.

I for one love to see our two Guilds get passed our differences, since I see so much potential in some real fun RPing. One I really like to see us go after Pang. He is on our Guild's (Darkshire's) Most Wanted list and I imagine he is on the SWCW Most Wanted list as well with as many of their Guards he has killed. I doubt they are just sitting in the Blue Recluse eating Donuts and planning road patrols. It be fun for us to spread the word and put up Most Wanted poster on Pang and RP a Realm Wide Fugitive hunt. It might put a nice bigger than normal bulls-eye target on Pangs back and he suddenly find himself getting killed more than normal. Maybe after awhile he decide Darkshire & the Mage Quarters is probably not a good playground anymore and move on. Or maybe he get a kick out of it and RP back.

It be fun for us to spread the word and put up Most Wanted poster on Pang and RP a Realm Wide Fugitive hunt. It might put a nice bigger than normal bulls-eye target on Pangs back and he suddenly find himself getting killed more than normal. Maybe after awhile he decide Darkshire & the Mage Quarters is probably not a good playground anymore and move on. Or maybe he get a kick out of it and RP back.

Pang is on the wanted list though the poster is being updated to add a reward.

[quote]Pang is on the wanted list though the poster is being updated to add a reward.

Sweet! I be willing to share The Thorns intelligence in the future and send couriers to Stormwind when he is spotted in our area. LOL

((Whoa, whoa.

I can't speak for the Watch, but in general, my RP policy goes thusly:

No one can "control" anyone OOCly.

If you want to "control" someone ICly, no matter WHAT FOR, ask OOCly first. If they say no, back the F off.

However, if the person getting controlled ICly is doing something to ICly invite it, they should consider looking at their own actions and revising as appropriate. Or talk to the other party, and see if some new shiny player lore can't be inserted to make the controlling no longer an issue. There's nothing that CAN'T be worked into WoW's lore one way or another. All depends on what your OOC goal is.

In the end, it's give and take. We're all, dare I say it...people deserving of respect...and a little leeway...))

There's been a lot of misunderstandings, obviously, and everyone hopes this can be fixed.

However, this thread was specifically created to deal with crimes, their respective punishments, and a contraband list everyone could at least moderately agree on.
Orwyn and I have worked on this for awhile now, and I'd like to see *that* remain the focus of this particular discussion.

As I said...this can all be talked about in private, as it deals with our two guilds respectively and no one else. This does not need to turn into a public issue or calling out on either side.

As I stated in the very first post, the whole point of the list is simply to create an agreed upon framework for law enforcement and crime so that people who want to RP either side can interact better. It's completely optional for people to agree, and participate, but the hope was that by having the entire community discuss the matter, we could collectively come up with something that the majority could agree on (while of course still leaving the option for those who don't to not participate). Since law enforcement and crime depends on having laws to enforce and break, this will lend clarity to that whole RP area for those who are willing to use the list here.

To reiterate, following these laws is optional. It's an OOC decision. Following any IC instruction of the Watch is optional. It's an OOC decision. Any IC conversation, discussion, or disagreement is not the be all and end all of any RP. Ultimately, the OOC discussions and decisions are what count. That is why the Watch is making a thorough effort here to complete the OOC discussion before taking any action.

03/31/2012 03:22 PMPosted by Yotingo

In more regards to the Watch...the AAMS usually will be obeying all local laws when they do their delivering. In the name of not slowing down or blocking RP, though, sometimes rules will get broken. Sometimes its in the case of the courier not knowing what they're carrying is bad, other times the courier (or the supervisor giving them orders) might be willfully disobeying--in which case, they'd be subject to all the pertinent laws should they get caught.

Yeah, I really don't think there will be any problem here. Like with the body parts, if the delivery turns out to be something seriously wrong I imagine that AAMS would voluntarily cooperate enough to make the Watch happy. Between talking about it ICLY and OOCLY, we'd make it work. And if not, no harm in just ignoring the thing.

03/31/2012 08:01 PMPosted by Trever

I never said that it does not fall under Stormwind rule. What I am stating is that they were abandoned by Stormwind and the guards patroling it is not in character with the "current" lore.

But it is the Stormwind City Watch's decision as to what they define as in-character for their own guild. If they are willing to enforce laws in Duskwood, they can, because Duskwood is one of the lands of Stormwind.