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Given that, the AAMS would be happy to occasionally drop by with some diplomatically-inclined Horde RPers, if you like. Visiting envoy sort of thing. I don't think I can promise to have a translator out there all the time or anything, but if the Watch is interested in being open to visits, the AAMS can certainly help set a few up.

This could be interesting, I'd certainly talk to either Derscha or Yotingo to set this up!

07/26/2012 12:31 PMPosted by Arothand

For example, if a 'house' ingame was the actual house a person was using, and not just a stand-in for a location that exists in lore but not ingame due to a far smaller game world than the actual lore suggests, then poor Dernes' house gets used by like, fifty different people.

I think it depends a little on the exact location in question. (And I may be misunderstanding what you said, and this may be exactly the same thing reworded. Apologies if that's the case! :P

I'm gonna use Hearthglen as an example because it's Pia's IC home and also because it's shared with Razortalons.
Obviously, there's only one Hearthglen in the world, right? But it -- like virtually every location -- is bigger than we see in-game. So while the space of Hearthglen can't be duplicated and *could* be claimed if, y'know, it wasn't already claimed by the Argent Crusade, the buildings represented in Hearthglen can be. The house has served as a generic home, Taelanas' house, and various other people's homes and I'm sure Razortalons has used it as well. The mage tower has represented the Pia tower (which obviously doesn't exist in game) and has been used by RT as a different tower (sometimes at the same time!)

But you also have buildings like the Blue Recluse in Stormwind. While Stormwind is surely bigger than it appears, and even the Blue Recluse is probably a mere representation and probably would look totally different if it were an actual place in an actual Azeroth.... I think we're all agreed that it's a specific, unique place of which there is only one. Zaium's been the agreed-upon owner for as long as I've been on CC (unless something changed recently?). There's been a few hiccups where people new to the server have tried to set up shop and claim ownership, but they've always worked themselves out and people have generally been very respectful of that claim (as far as I know).

07/27/2012 10:03 AMPosted by Crayauchtin

There's been a few hiccups where people new to the server have tried to set up shop and claim ownership, but they've always worked themselves out and people have generally been very respectful of that claim (as far as I know).

And that is why that system doesn't work. We are privileged to be a small server, but if we had more RPers, the drama over claiming would be huge--and altogether unnecessary.

But you also have buildings like the Blue Recluse in Stormwind. While Stormwind is surely bigger than it appears, and even the Blue Recluse is probably a mere representation and probably would look totally different if it were an actual place in an actual Azeroth.... I think we're all agreed that it's a specific, unique place of which there is only one. Zaium's been the agreed-upon owner for as long as I've been on CC (unless something changed recently?).

No, I don't agree, I've never considered the Blue Recluse to be Zaium's property unless he is physically in it, as I've stated. It doesn't matter how well known he is (not very) or how many people treat the Blue Recluse as his (not many)--it's not his unless he's there to RP out that role.

No offense to you, Zeeb! I still love ya.

I have to agree with Lahkin, Cray.

While occupying or being employed somewhere that is owned by a lore organization is fine, it's a bit different than, say, owning them.

Let's say Ratchet was supposedly 'owned' by the AAMS (it's not) back when they held taverns there. If a new guild were to claim it, say, Homeland, there'd be silly 'THIS IS MY HOUSE/TAVERN/ETC' drama. It's unnecessary.

It's much easier to say that the AAMS, or whoever, works at Ratchet/Blue Recluse/Hearthglen, because if you run into someone not incredibly knowledgeable about the server, rather than being 'this is my house/castle/tavern, and you follow my rules! We have a claim to it!', it's equally owned by everyone, therefore it's more along the lines of 'Oh, I'm an employee here, are you too?'. Running into a fellow employee/occupant is far more interesting, and far less dramatic.

As far as housing goes, pretty much exactly what Lahkin said. They're just in-game standins.

Edit: Clarified a point or two.

Yeah, I've never respected this claim to the Blue Recluse. Zaium seems like a cool dude so really nothing against him, but in the back of my mind I am always tempted to ridicule anyone pretending to own a public spot--particularly a hot public spot like the Recluse. I don't out of respect of RP, but neither do I acknowledge the claim. To me and my Alliance characters, it's just highfalutin puffery with no real meaning. It can't be enforced so that's effectively what it really is, too. The most one can do is shun the role-player who refuses to acknowledge your authority, which is a really effective way to create unnecessary drama and further fractionalize the community.

Which again is nothing against Zaium. He's been nothing but nice to me in all my (admittedly few) dealings with him. It is just an illustration of a mindset I disagree with and why I think it causes issues and should be avoided.